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New policy requires on-field players, personnel to stand for anthem

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7 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/270/616/2501575/

 

This ruling applied to public and private schools.  Teachers & Students.

 

That case looks like it is dealing with religious beliefs and personal beliefs which would be different than kneeling as a protest.  But honestly those case write up are so hard to read. 

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2 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

My understanding is this targets players only.  So its a rule for a set of employees.

 

The membership also strongly believes that:

1. All team and league personnel on the field shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.

2.The Game Operations Manual will be revised to remove the requirement that all players be on the field for the Anthem.

3. Personnel who choose not to stand for the Anthem may stay in the locker room or in a similar location off the field until after the Anthem has been performed.

4. A club will be fined by the League if its personnel are on the field and do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.

5. Each club may develop its own work rules, consistent with the above principles, regarding its personnel who do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.

6. The Commissioner will impose appropriate discipline on league personnel who do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.

 

Point 1 on their list seems to be everyone employed by the league and teams who are on the field during the anthem.

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5 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

My understanding is this targets players only.  So its a rule for a set of employees.

 

 

    Did you read the topic of the thread? If you are a part of the NFL, and you are on the field, you must stand. Igo and his ilk could kneel, visitors could kneel, and I could kneel. All because we are not a part of the NFL. 

 

    It is not a rule for a "Set of employees". It is a rule for all NFL personnel.

 

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1 hour ago, KillaCamNewton said:

You can always tell who has never worked for a big company or in a corporate setting based on how they react to this stuff. Being forced to follow your employer’s rules is not a violation of your freedom, it’s called being an employee

What a stupendously arrogant generalization to make about people you don’t know.

 If you haven’t the good sense to see that nobody is making that point I guess there is no sense in trying to explain further though.

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3 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

I'll be happy if the issue goes away and it can go back to just being a football game.

Politics has bled all over everything anymore. 

When you fear for your children's lives or your family's lives, that's not politics. Tamir Rice dead at twelve is not politics. Eric Garner and Alton Sterling dead over nothing but nonetheless dead forever is not politics. If politics has "bled all over everything", maybe it's because people are bleeding all over. (And that's barely scratching the surface of how our country is failing its citizens, but dead people do get the headlines.)

As for the anthem and the kneeling and the new policy and the locker room and the blah blah, who really cares about the specifics? That was just one way for brave people to bring word about injustice to the wider world in a way that couldn't be politely ignored. It never had anything to do with the song or the flag or the "troops" that people who don't want to talk about injustice kept using as a shield. There will be other avenues of protest so long as this country keeps forcing people into protest. Some protests might even pop up at a football game - especially since, y'know, 70% of the players come from the group most severely affected by these issues. Let's all get ready for the new rules about "political" touchdown celebrations - they'll be issued one year from today.

 

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11 minutes ago, RetiredCollegeCoach said:

When you fear for your children's lives or your family's lives, that's not politics. Tamir Rice dead at twelve is not politics. Eric Garner and Alton Sterling dead over nothing but nonetheless dead forever is not politics. If politics has "bled all over everything", maybe it's because people are bleeding all over. (And that's barely scratching the surface of how our country is failing its citizens, but dead people do get the headlines.)

As for the anthem and the kneeling and the new policy and the locker room and the blah blah, who really cares about the specifics? That was just one way for brave people to bring word about injustice to the wider world in a way that couldn't be politely ignored. It never had anything to do with the song or the flag or the "troops" that people who don't want to talk about injustice kept using as a shield. There will be other avenues of protest so long as this country keeps forcing people into protest. Some protests might even pop up at a football game - especially since, y'know, 70% of the players come from the group most severely affected by these issues. Let's all get ready for the new rules about "political" touchdown celebrations - they'll be issued one year from today.

 

Great post.

This was a horrible decision by the league, as now these protests will be right in front of the fans who complained about players kneeling. There will be protests at the stadium as people head to their seats, there will be protests during the anthem as more people in the stands will sit now, and there will be people protesting after the games.

What the nfl has essentially done is transfer the protest from the few players to the fans. The alienated fans as well as a few players will take this up now. 

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5 hours ago, DeeJay said:

Dumb

Not really.  I have no problem with them in the locker room.  Don't need the drama on the field.  And yes, I am a veteran, a patriot, etc. and believe  it is a disrespect of our country if you don't, at least, stand.  Just my opinion.

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