Possible changes to anthem guidelines

[Floppin]

47 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It seems everything has to turn into a political debate. 

This was a political debate from the beginning. What are you even talking about?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Businesses aren't democracies, and the NFL is not the country.

Precisely.  That is why the NFL should get out of the flag waving/anthem playing business entirely.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Precisely.  That is why the NFL should get out of the flag waving anthem playing business entirely.

But how do you do that without pissing off a pretty significant percentage of the fanbase?

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

I'm gonna have to believe that you have no idea what is and isn't a constitutional right.

I know what is and isn’t a constitutional right, and I suppose I could have worded that better. The point is, what is or isn’t a constitutional right is completely irrelevant in this matter. The right to bear arms doesn’t mean you can bring your gun to work. The right to free speech is completely muffled for me, as a member of the military. Constitutional rights do not guarantee your continued employment. They guarantee your freedom from prosecution for exercising those rights. 

[Panthro]

Can I pleasure myself during the anthem? 21 gun salute pew pew pew

[NanuqoftheNorth]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But how do you do that without pissing off a pretty significant percentage of the fanbase?

If we survived the USSC banning organized prayer prior to high school football games, I think we will survive the loss of the Star Spangled Banner from NFL pregame activities. 

Those having US flag/nation anthem withdrawal symptoms can always resort to Youtube to ease their pain...

At one point US television stations used to honor our national anthem/ flag/military 365 days a year.  No more and I can't recall anyone making a big deal out of it when they stopped. 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Dr. Zin said:

Keep politics out of football!!

Agreed and well said!  

No more NFL pre-game Star Spangled Banner!

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

If we survived the USSC banning organized prayer prior to high school football games, I think we will survive the loss of the Star Spangled Banner from NFL pregame activities. 

Those having US flag/nation anthem withdrawal symptoms can always resort to Youtube to ease their pain...

At one point our US media used to honor our national anthem/ flag/military 365 days a year.  No more and I can't recall anyone making a big deal out of it when they stopped.

Would you want someone so easily dismissing your ideas and concerns? And again, that's an easy thing to say if you're not paying for it.

Let's say you want your employer to take a certain political stance.  They agree, but their doing so is going to significantly lower your wages and there's no way around it.  Do you still want them speaking out?

How sacrificial are you when it's your paycheck that's being affected?

[tondi]

If both teams protest will the penalties offset?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

How sacrificial are you when it's your paycheck that's being affected?

Agreed.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair

The NFL in a nutshell.

[cookinbrak]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not embedded in the Constitution, but yes, employers do have the right to set behavior standards for their employees.

That said, regardless of where you stand on the protest issue, I'm not in favor of assessing football penalties for non-football related actions.

Jesus Christ, does anybody on here read? What he said was-

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People have the constitutional right wear a t-shirt and jeans to work

You have the right to wear whatever your employer deems appropriate.

[The Lobo]

4 minutes ago, bull123 said:

If that 15 yd penalty goes into effect, not a coach in the league will have his team on the field until after our National Anthem is played

Agreed. I think it is absurd they would even consider enforcing a penalty on this matter.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Agreed. I think it is absurd they would even consider enforcing a penalty on this matter.

That makes no sense to me at all.

Letting teams set individual standards rather than a league wide choice does, though.

[The Lobo]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

That makes no sense to me at all.

Letting teams set individual standards rather than a league wide choice does, though.

For sure on the team rulings. I’ve always felt to end the matter entirely, just have them wait in the locker room like they used to. I know I’ve said that a few times, but it really would end the conversation.