Possible changes to anthem guidelines

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It seems everything has to turn into a political debate. 

Yep, been there doing those posts back and forth also,... but I’m sick of it,  don’t want to see it in the football side any more.

im here to watch football, not debate politics,... 

[rayzor]

3 hours ago, emcannon said:

Assessing a penalty for exercising your constitutional right to peaceful protest. I'm sure that'll go over well among the players and fans. Unbelievable.

Yep. This would be bad.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

lol. gotta weed out those commie bastards!

You mean Real Americans, cause they are trying to bring back the Confederacy.

[rayzor]

Seriously why does it matter if a few people don't participate? Never seen why it's such a big deal. Do your own thing. You can't force admiration and respect, especially for some song and piece of cloth. Don't try and enforce it or your no better than north Korea.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Seriously why does it matter if a few people don't participate? Never seen why it's such a big deal. Do your own thing. You can't force admiration and respect, especially for some song and piece of cloth. Don't try and enforce it or your no better than north Korea.

The next thing you know I will be required to get up out of my recliner everytime the anthem is playing.  What has the world come to?

Good luck getting the beer lines at the stadium to come back and stand in reverence.

[The Lobo]

7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Seriously why does it matter if a few people don't participate? Never seen why it's such a big deal. Do your own thing. You can't force admiration and respect, especially for some song and piece of cloth. Don't try and enforce it or your no better than north Korea.

Yeah, Marshawn never stood for the Anthem since they made it a rule where teams have to be on the sideline...no one said a word. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Most of the people bitching about the players behavior are likely guzzling beer and stuffing their faces with pizza and doritos while the national anthem plays in the background. 

Want to set a good example for the players? 

Stand up during the Star Spangled Banner and make sure everyone else in your home does so as well.  If you don't, you're nothing but another hypocrite flapping their gums together to hear themselves talk.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Seriously why does it matter if a few people don't participate? Never seen why it's such a big deal. Do your own thing. You can't force admiration and respect, especially for some song and piece of cloth. Don't try and enforce it or your no better than north Korea.

Because it isn't politics. It's business.

A pretty significant portion of the NFL's fanbase doesn't like the protests. And regardless of what anyone thinks of their point of view, they have an equal right to express their opinion as the players do. That means the protests have the potential to hurt the NFL's business (some would say they already have).

It's real easy to tell the NFL to take a stand, but if allowing people to express themselves was costing you significant money, what would you do?

"Supporting free expression" is a pretty easy thing to say when you're not paying for it.

Do I think the NFL is handling it well?  No, but it's not as simple as some want it to sound.

The idea is to come up with a solution that satisfies both sides.

In the current political climate, good luck with that.

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[rayzor]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because it isn't politics. It's business.

A pretty significant portion of the NFL's fanbase doesn't like the protests. And regardless of what anyone thinks of their point of view, they have an equal right to express their opinion as the players do. That means the protests have the potential to hurt the NFL's business (some would say they already have).

It's real easy to tell the NFL to take a stand, but if allowing people to express themselves was costing you significant money, what would you do?

"Supporting free expression" is a pretty easy thing to say when you're not paying for it.

Do I think the NFL is handling it well?  No, but it's not as simple as some want it to sound.

The idea is to come up with a solution that satisfies both sides.

In the current political climate, good luck with that.

Making a decision either way is going to hurt. Best course of action is inaction. People will settle down.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because it isn't politics. It's business.

A pretty significant portion of the NFL's fanbase doesn't like the protests. And regardless of what anyone thinks of their point of view, they have an equal right to express their opinion as the players do. That means the protests have the potential to hurt the NFL's business (some would say they already have).

It's real easy to tell the NFL to take a stand, but if allowing people to express themselves was costing you significant money, what would you do?

"Supporting free expression" is a pretty easy thing to say when you're not paying for it.

Do I think the NFL is handling it well?  No, but it's not as simple as some want it to sound.

The idea is to come up with a solution that satisfies both sides.

In the current political climate, good luck with that.

The NFL made a business decision years ago to require players to be on the field for the national anthem.  That business decision was also a political decision.  The national anthem and flag are closely tied to the US military, our police and firefighters.  What those organizations do or don't do is inexorably tied to politics and by extension the US flag and anthem.

The league trying to force player conformity when it comes to a political ideal is the antithesis of what America and our flag are supposed to represent. 

This is the sort of behavior you'd expect to be advocated by a dictatorship or theocracy not a country supposedly founded on liberal ideals. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Making a decision either way is going to hurt. Best course of action is inaction. People will settle down.

Can you count on that, though? Especially in the current political climate and with elections on the horizon?

My thing would probably be to keep players inside for the anthem, but the risk there is pissing off the NFLPA and the players who want to be seen protesting.

8 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

The NFL made a business decision years ago to require players to be on the field for the national anthem.  That business decision was also a political decision.  The national anthem and flag are closely tied to the US military, our police and firefighters.  What those organizations do or don't do is inexorably tied to politics and by extension the US flag and anthem.

The league trying to force player conformity when it comes to a political ideal is the antithesis of what America and our flag is supposed to represent. 

This is the sort of behavior you'd expect to advocated by a dictatorship or theocracy not a country supposedly founded on liberal ideals. 

Businesses aren't democracies, and the NFL is not the country.

The vast majority of businesses that are faced with a choice between pissing off their customer or pissing off their employees will ultimately choose to piss off their employees.  My guess?  That's what the NFL will choose as well.

All that said, penalizing it on the field is a moronic idea.