Possible changes to anthem guidelines

[4Corners]

17 minutes ago, bull123 said:

fans will love it...militant players and leftists with their little protest signs are gonna be pissed

may be the last we see of any teams on the field during our National Anthem...coaches not gonna risk a 15 yarder because somebody would rather protest than be thinking about playing the game

“Militant player” is this posters code word for the N-word. Sad, man. You need to see a therapist. 

[cookinbrak]

41 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I honestly don’t care one way or the other but it’s the employer’s constitutional right to require things within reason of their employees. People have the constitutional right wear a t-shirt and jeans to work, but Cam gets benched and Anderson throws a pick 6 on the first play because Cam didn’t wear a tie. That’s how it works. It’s absolutely within the league’s rights to dictate anthem behavior. It’s all a matter of how it affects public perception and how that affects the bottom line. 

I'm gonna have to believe that you have no idea what is and isn't a constitutional right.

[motocross_cat]

1 minute ago, bull123 said:

actually they learned that fans don't want to see some agitator spewing his personal politics out there during our National Anthem when they want to see a football game

Personally I think if your there on the field or in attendance you should stand. But penalizing the team 15 yards for one or a group of players will not only inevitably cause locker room issues, it will cause fans to go crazy.

 I think the NFL will shoot themselves in the foot if they put a rule like that in place.  Let the players protest and move on.  If your a fan that cant get over that then you have your own issues IMO.

[4Corners]

Regardless if you are for or against minority players peacefully exercising their constitutional, God given right of freedom speech to bring awareness to a real issue in this country - I believe all of us can agree that the NFL has handled this about as poorly as possible. 

The correct, ethical way to handle this situation is for the NFL to stay out of it and just let players protest if they want. They aren’t hurting anything but the feelings of phony captain America snowflakes. NFL should  Defer all questions about it to the players, let the players speak about it, not the league. If any news outlet has a problem with it then don’t show the anthem. But the networks will always show it, because for a chunk of white, conservative snowflakes - seeing a black person speaking out against social injustices triggers them into a full meltdown and they can’t take their eyes off it. It’s like people who strictly listen to hate mongering fake news characters like a hannity or Rush just to get pissed off.   

[MHS831]

This one?  Kidding of course.

[Popsickle]

2 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Regardless if you are for or against minority players peacefully exercising their constitutional, God given right of freedom speech to bring awareness to an a real issue in this country - I believe all of us can agree that the NFL has handled this about as poorly as possible. 

The correct, ethical way to handle this situation is for the NFL to stay out of it and just let players protest if they want. Defer all questions about it to the players. If an news outlet has a problem with it then don’t show the anthem. But the networks will always show it, because for a chunk of white, conservative snowflakes - seeing a black person speaking out against social injustices triggers them into a full meltdown and they can’t take their eyes off it. It’s like people who strictly listen to hate mongering fake news characters like a hannity or Rush just to get pissed off.   

I'm for minority players doing, just not the white ones. 

 

 

 

I'm I doing this SJW thing right?

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, motocross_cat said:

Personally I think if your there on the field or in attendance you should stand. But penalizing the team 15 yards for one or a group of players will not only inevitably cause locker room issues, it will cause fans to go crazy.

 I think the NFL will shoot themselves in the foot if they put a rule like that in place.  Let the players protest and move on.  If your a fan that cant get over that then you have your own issues IMO.

Key word in your sentence is “personally”. It’s your opinion. You know the saying about opinions....

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

I'm gonna have to believe that you have no idea what is and isn't a constitutional right.

It's not embedded in the Constitution, but yes, employers do have the right to set behavior standards for their employees.

That said, regardless of where you stand on the protest issue, I'm not in favor of assessing football penalties for non-football related actions.

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Regardless if you are for or against minority players peacefully exercising their constitutional, God given right of freedom speech to bring awareness to an a real issue in this country - I believe all of us can agree that the NFL has handled this about as poorly as possible. 

The correct, ethical way to handle this situation is for the NFL to stay out of it and just let players protest if they want. They aren’t hurting anything but the feelings of phony captain America snowflakes. NFL should  Defer all questions about it to the players, let the players speak about it, not the league. If an news outlet has a problem with it then don’t show the anthem. But the networks will always show it, because for a chunk of white, conservative snowflakes - seeing a black person speaking out against social injustices triggers them into a full meltdown and they can’t take their eyes off it. It’s like people who strictly listen to hate mongering fake news characters like a hannity or Rush just to get pissed off.   

Not correct. These are entertainers and they are paid to play a game and entertain us.  Just because there are cameras, that does not give the players the right to turn half of the crowd away to detract from the game--an escape from the politics and drama of the week.  They damaged profits last year.   I agree with the players, but you don't go to your job and start advocating for your second amendment rights and put up NRA banners around your desk....

Get off your knee and get out in the community and make a difference there.

[MadHatter]

1 hour ago, emcannon said:

Assessing a penalty for exercising your constitutional right to peaceful protest. I'm sure that'll go over well among the players and fans. Unbelievable.

Not telling anyone which side of this issue they should be on.  But your assertion about constitutional right to peaceful protest (and others comments about freedom of speech) are not accurate in this situation.  Those constitutional rights only afford you the right to not allow the government to restrict your ability to do those things.  They do NOT afford you the right to say or protest anything you want and anywhere you want without consequences from employers...including penalties, suspensions, firings, etc.  they are allowed to set behaviorscand rules that employees are required to abide by.

Again, this is not a comment about which side is correct on this issue...only the incorrect “rights” assertions that many are making.

 

 

[motocross_cat]

Just now, 4Corners said:

Key word in your sentence is “personally”. It’s your opinion. You know they saying about opinions....

It's all good man.  

Bottom line the NFL being in the position they are in need to catch up to the times.

[MHS831]

17 minutes ago, motocross_cat said:

It's all good man.  

Bottom line the NFL being in the position they are in need to catch up to the times.

Nobody is taking away their first amendment rights.  They will still have those when they are unemployed. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

There is absolutely no requirement to play the national anthem prior to athletic events. 

Less than 100 years ago it wasn't even that common for sports leagues to do it.

https://www.history.com/news/why-the-star-spangled-banner-is-played-at-sporting-events

If I were the NFL Commissioner I'd keep the players in their locker rooms until game time.

Continue to play the national anthem and we can go back to focusing on fellow fans that routinely disrespect the flag by walking, talking, laughing and failing to remove their hats.

[The Lobo]

57 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Why can't they stand for the National Anthem and support this beautiful country?

I’m not saying I agree one way or the other, but I think until 2009 or 2010, they used to wait in the locker room until the anthem was over. If it wasn’t a problem all those years, why would it be one now?