PFF Says the likes of Dak Prescott, Marcus Mariota, and Tyrod Taylor + 2 more are better running quarterbacks than Cam

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, motocross_cat said:

Ask any defender in the NFL who the best running QB is and I'll bet a paycheck its Cam.  Need 70 yards to ice a game?  Cam.  Need him to fly 8 yards over motherfugers to score?  Cam.  Need a front flip on the goal line?  Cam.  Juke out 7 defenders in the back field then bulldoze for a first down?  Cam.  HE HAS CARRIED THE GOD DAMN TEAM FOR 6 fuging YEARS LAYING IT ALL ON THE LINE.  idk why this makes me so mad.

Idk either, but I like it.  Get angry af.  Fight for our guys!  (Not literally but you get it)

[raleigh-panther]

When any of those QBs win MVP and make it to the SuperBowl with a bunch of players that would not be 3rd string on most teams, then I’ll take the ratings seriously 

[top dawg]

Try as you might to detract from PFF, it is good for stats and more. You have to keep things in perspective, and view things more analytically. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is simply never the answer. Be smart about context!

[Wyank]

Stats can be twisted and cherry picked to prove almost anything

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, motocross_cat said:

If you take off the homer glasses and think about it objectively you will realize that that is absolutely, positively the........................................ dumbest poo you will read this offseason.

 

The hate is real yall.

 

 

Well , this was just looking at 2017, and it was hard for Cam to run while carrying the entire team on his back for the last 6 weeks of the season.

[saints4lifeagain]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

The next time one of those other QBs run up the middle on 3rd or 4th and 1 will Be the first. Easy to have an impressive YPC when all your yards are from scrambles or read options. 

  But context is overrated right?

And that's fine. It's what makes Cam a special talent. It's an element he brings that, aside from Prescott, none of the others really have the size to do. What you guys seem to be struggling with, is that these grades aren't based on talent or ability. It's analytics.

Is Cam going to get a higher grade on a run up the middle on 4th and inches where he gains the first but doesn't make a guy miss, but simply powers forward than Russel or Marriotta juking a guy on the outside and picking up an additional 5-10 yards? Of course not. Now, Cam has those plays too, but his grade is obviously watered down by the power runs that, frankly, only he has the ability to make. 

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Lol any objective NFL fan would call bullcrap on whatever analysis that graded Cam worse than these 5 quarterbacks.

Then again, coming from the guy who'd rather have Cameron Jordan over Julius Peppers in their respective primes, it's not surprising you'd disagree lol.

Graded? No. I wouldn't call bullcrap. I think if you ask anybody at PFF who the best running QB is, they'd probably answer Cam Newton. But their grading system is based on a lot of things that get watered down by the number of short yardage carries that Cam gets. 

I also never said I disagreed, just don't understand how everything turns to DISRESPECKK!! around here lol. If you must know, PFF has 3 of Jordans seasons rated as high or higher than the best season of Peppers career, since they began grading in 2006.

[Saca312]

4 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

f you must know, PFF has 3 of Jordans seasons rated as high or higher than the best season of Peppers career,

Thanks for verifying how bogus their grading system is lmao.

 

[Saca312]

PFF is pretty much an iffy organization. Individual stats and such are fine. They’re pretty reliable.

Their grading system, however, has been highly suspect.

[saints4lifeagain]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

Thanks for verifying how bogus their grading system is lmao.

 

Take some of that time you waste looking up obscure GIFS on Twitter trying to prove a point and watch some tape. It would probably make it a little less LMAO worthy.

 

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

PFF is pretty much an iffy organization. Individual stats and such are fine. They’re pretty reliable.

Their grading system, however, has been highly suspect.

How can you like their stats, but call their grading system suspect? It all goes hand in hand. 

So iffy that a majority of NFL pay for their services.

[JawnyBlaze]

Yea, add this to the New Jersey sizes trash heap that is evidence that PFF is complete garbage. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

PFF is pretty much an iffy organization. Individual stats and such are fine. They’re pretty reliable.

Their grading system, however, has been highly suspect.

I am not going to sit here and claim they are the be all and end all but I think their methods have some value for sure. People just get butthurt when they don't match up to what they want(pretty much what is likely happening in this scenario). 

My main misgivings about PFF are that ultimately the grades are based on a subjective system. That always means some level of margin to disagree about plays. They claim to have two independent graders, a level of internal oversight and then reviewed by a third party analyst. Now, as far as subjective ratings go, that is the basis for a very strong system. None of us are there to see the behind the scenes, so we can't really know how it is in practice. The system is inherently imperfect because it is at the core, subjective. However, I will wager no one who has criticized their ratings has probably ever tried to independently apply their system to see what it resulted in either.

[LinvilleGorge]

Has any other QB in the last decade been their team's primary running threat? Cam has been ours more often than not. End of discussion. Cam will likely end his career as the leading all time rushing QB. He's aalready #1 by a long shot in TDs and he's #3 in yardage passing Steve Young last year and now trailing only Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham. He could potentially pass Cunningham next year. He needs 608 yards to do that. He averages 617. He needs 1790 to pass Vick. That's three average seasons for Cam. Vick averaged 470 yards per season during his career.

[Toomers]

24 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

And that's fine. It's what makes Cam a special talent. It's an element he brings that, aside from Prescott, none of the others really have the size to do. What you guys seem to be struggling with, is that these grades aren't based on talent or ability. It's analytics.

Is Cam going to get a higher grade on a run up the middle on 4th and inches where he gains the first but doesn't make a guy miss, but simply powers forward than Russel or Marriotta juking a guy on the outside and picking up an additional 5-10 yards? Of course not. Now, Cam has those plays too, but his grade is obviously watered down by the power runs that, frankly, only he has the ability to make. 

 So Cam can do everything the others can do, and MORE, but some unknown subjective formula states that he is inferior to them. That makes total sense. What was your point again? Because you just said what I did. 

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Take some of that time you waste looking up obscure GIFS on Twitter trying to prove a point and watch some tape. It would probably make it a little less LMAO worthy.

 

How can you like their stats, but call their grading system suspect? It all goes hand in hand. 

So iffy that a majority of NFL pay for their services.

Stop. At the same point in their careers...

Sacks: Peppers 70.5, Jordan 59.5

Tackles: Peppers 273, Jordan 239

Forced fumbles: Peppers 25, Jordan 9

Cam Jordan is a great player, but prime vs. prime, Peppers was better at everything.

NFL teams don't pay PFF for their analysis, they pay them for their aggregation of stats. Like I said before, for stats PFF is great. For analysis they're trash.