Carolina Panthers OTAs - Photos and Notes

[Byrdman4real]

23 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

Did Byrd practice any?

 

[saints4lifeagain]

On 5/22/2018 at 11:24 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure he can replicate last year's performance either. Last season he got home a lot. What I mean by that is that he really didn't create many pressures when he didn't register a sack. QB pressures are almost as important as actual sacks. You're still affecting the QB and being disruptive. 4:1 is a great pressure:sack ratio for an outside pass rusher. Anything better than 3:1 is amazing. I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers' past year was the best of any double digit sack guy in the history of the NFL.

On average, NFL DEs convert pressure to sacks at around 15%. Anything over 25% is pretty ridiculous and fairly unsustainable. Peppers converted at a ridiculous 41% last year lol. That's insane.

[trucpfan]

Are we getting a day two thread today?

[KillerKat]

On 5/22/2018 at 8:57 PM, Silent Majority said:

Somebody please render Capt. expendable. Get his bitter bih , with declining skills - ass off of this team. 

Curt Sam is a Philly Brown upgrade (awesome). 

DJ Moore...Geebus christ! It moved!

 

Yeah i really dont see how he fits on the team with Seymour and Cockrell on the outside opposite of Bradberry and Jackson and Elder on the inside.  We have younger talent on the team that's equal to or better than him and they need reps.

[Snake]

5 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

On average, NFL DEs convert pressure to sacks at around 15%. Anything over 25% is pretty ridiculous and fairly unsustainable. Peppers converted at a ridiculous 41% last year lol. That's insane.

Simply the law of averages. We blitzed a ton and someone is going to get home. Downside was our CBS were left out to dry and it became almost predictable. Peppers could sustain that trend this year because we will still blitz heavy and also have a better DT combo in Poe and KK. Needless to say you want abuse Poe like you did Star. 

[KB_fan]

10 hours ago, trucpfan said:

Are we getting a day two thread today?

Day 2 was closed to media

[saints4lifeagain]

8 hours ago, Snake said:

Simply the law of averages. We blitzed a ton and someone is going to get home. Downside was our CBS were left out to dry and it became almost predictable. Peppers could sustain that trend this year because we will still blitz heavy and also have a better DT combo in Poe and KK. Needless to say you want abuse Poe like you did Star. 

I mean, possibly, but I doubt it. Peppers has always been an above average finisher. He converts pressures to sacks at 19% for his career. 41.9% more than doubled that lol. It's like you said, law of averages. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I mean, possibly, but I doubt it. Peppers has always been an above average finisher. He converts pressures to sacks at 19% for his career. 41.9% more than doubled that lol. It's like you said, law of averages. 

You shouldn't doubt it because the law of averages will happen once again. Simply put we lost a ok run stuffing DT in Star and picked up a better pass rusher and run stuffer in Poe. Pressure up the middle will increase thus allowing more sacks and pressure on the edges. That along with Luke, Davis, and Shaq blitzing will cause some pain. As well as upgraded CBS will help. Not saying we are unstoppable but pressure should not fall this year. 

[saints4lifeagain]

16 minutes ago, Snake said:

You shouldn't doubt it because the law of averages will happen once again. Simply put we lost a ok run stuffing DT in Star and picked up a better pass rusher and run stuffer in Poe. Pressure up the middle will increase thus allowing more sacks and pressure on the edges. That along with Luke, Davis, and Shaq blitzing will cause some pain. As well as upgraded CBS will help. Not saying we are unstoppable but pressure should not fall this year. 

I'm not saying his sack numbers won't be the same. I'm saying he won't convert at that high of a rate. If his sack numbers are the same, his pressures will have went up.

[Snake]

Just now, saints4lifeagain said:

I'm not saying his sack numbers won't be the same. I'm saying he won't convert at that high of a rate. If his sack numbers are the same, his pressures will have went up.

I think pressures might go up and sacks go down a bit. Although I'm not sure what will happen with a better OC who can actually game plan and adjust. As a saints fan you can understand how important that is. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Day 2 was closed to media

How about today?

[Panthers8969]

Man I absolutely hate when people start talking about the law of averages. What about a future HoFer is average? If you wanna say his play will fall off bc of age, fine, maybe that true. But, to say it will decrease bc of the law of averages is ludicrous. Just Bc some scrub DEs only convert 15% of pressures to sacks doesn’t mean that peppers will. 

 

Average qb throws 15 picks a season. I bet that’s how many brady throws now bc he’s gotta regress to the mean right?

 

bet David Tepper only makes 60k this year Bc that’s the average income.

like you can just go on and on about outliers returning to the average, but there’s a reason they aren’t average in the first place. Law of averages is supposed to be used for random events such as tossing a coin 10 times and getting 8 tails. Then you would say that next time, 5 tails is more likely bc of the law of averages

[Snake]

4 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Man I absolutely hate when people start talking about the law of averages. What about a future HoFer is average? If you wanna say his play will fall off bc of age, fine, maybe that true. But, to say it will decrease bc of the law of averages is ludicrous. Just Bc some scrub DEs only convert 15% of pressures to sacks doesn’t mean that peppers will. 

 

Average qb throws 15 picks a season. I bet that’s how many brady throws now bc he’s gotta regress to the mean right?

 

bet David Tepper only makes 60k this year Bc that’s the average income.

like you can just go on and on about outliers returning to the average, but there’s a reason they aren’t average in the first place. Law of averages is supposed to be used for random events such as tossing a coin 10 times and getting 8 tails. Then you would say that next time, 5 tails is more likely bc of the law of averages

I was saying the exact opposite. Because we have such a talented front 7 Peppers should hold at that number. Depending on how our rookies play we could be deep at our Dline. 

[AU-panther]

8 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Man I absolutely hate when people start talking about the law of averages. What about a future HoFer is average? If you wanna say his play will fall off bc of age, fine, maybe that true. But, to say it will decrease bc of the law of averages is ludicrous. Just Bc some scrub DEs only convert 15% of pressures to sacks doesn’t mean that peppers will. 

 

Average qb throws 15 picks a season. I bet that’s how many brady throws now bc he’s gotta regress to the mean right?

 

bet David Tepper only makes 60k this year Bc that’s the average income.

like you can just go on and on about outliers returning to the average, but there’s a reason they aren’t average in the first place. Law of averages is supposed to be used for random events such as tossing a coin 10 times and getting 8 tails. Then you would say that next time, 5 tails is more likely bc of the law of averages

He never said anything about Peppers only converting 15% like scrub DE's.  Peppers conversion rate for himself was abnormally higher than it has been in his career.  If he averages 19% for his career and all of sudden has 40% then it isn't unrealistic to expect some regression.

If Brady throws zero picks for a season it would be unrealistiec to expect in the following season.  It would probably closer to his career average.

Also the difference between great DEs and "scrubs" isn't just conversion rate but the actual number of pressures to start with.  I read somewhere that pressures are often a better predictor of sacks than sacks actually are.  Sacks can be like turnovers in that they are somewhat misleading.  Two defenders get pressure, the sack might can come down to which way the QB decides to bail out of the pocket.  Both defenders did the job, one was just fortunate enough to get the sack.