Will these players stick?

[DaveThePanther2008]

Alex Armah -  I hope that he has a big role in this offense.  I think he stays and fills the role that Tolbert had in Turner's offense.  I really haven't heard anything about him in the offseason.  

Brian Cox Jr. - He seems to have the talent and with a year under his belt I hope he sticks.  

Efe Obada - I hope he gets a good look from Washington.   I hope he gets some reps with the first and second team so we can see what he can truly do.

Anyone of the UDFA offensive linemen.   We have a ton on the roster so there will be a huge battle for backup positions and possibly one of them pulls a Norwell and cracks the lineup.

 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Alex Armah -  I hope that he has a big role in this offense.  I think he stays and fills the role that Tolbert had in Turner's offense.  I really haven't heard anything about him in the offseason.  

Brian Cox Jr. - He seems to have the talent and with a year under his belt I hope he sticks.  

Efe Obada - I hope he gets a good look from Washington.   I hope he gets some reps with the first and second team so we can see what he can truly do.

Anyone of the UDFA offensive linemen.   We have a ton on the roster so there will be a huge battle for backup positions and possibly one of them pulls a Norwell and cracks the lineup.

 

You mean this season or longer term?

For the former, I would say Armah and Cox have a good shot to make the roster. Obada almost certainly not. The UDFA OL have a reasonable shot to break the roster, I would think. We have some decent candidates, on paper.

The latter scenario? Almost none of them. I couldn't see any of them being on the roster in 3-4 seasons unless we hit big on another OL UDFA.

JMO.

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean this season or longer term?

For the former, I would say Armah and Cox have a good shot to make the roster. Obada almost certainly not. The UDFA OL have a reasonable shot to break the roster, I would think. We have some decent candidates, on paper.

The latter scenario? Almost none of them. I couldn't see any of them being on the roster in 3-4 seasons unless we hit big on another UDFA.

JMO.

I don't see how you can count them out long term.   We are losing JP after this season and if Cox continues to grow I don't see why he wouldn't stay for a longer term.  Armah I think it depends on how Turner uses him.  He has great hands and has show flashes of being something special.

Obada has shown flashes and because he couldn't be added to the roster last year only the coaches know.  I would love to see him get some quality snaps during the pre-season.

This is the first year I haven't been able to pick a UDFA that I thought would make it.   We'll see when OTAs and Mini-camps start.   Though there isn't any contact you'll get an idea of possibilities.

[t96]

Cox makes the roster probably but may lose playing time from last year if Hall shows up. No idea what we’re doing with Haynes yet so he could factor in.

 

Armah showed well last year and is our only guy on the roster at FB so I think he’ll stick as our guy there. How many snaps he’ll play is yet to be seen and he didn’t touch the ball once last year but maybe that can change...

 

Obada is a longer shot but we’ll see. How he plays in the preseason this year will determine his fate I believe.

[CarolinaSamurai]

37 minutes ago, t96 said:

Cox makes the roster probably but may lose playing time from last year if Hall shows up. No idea what we’re doing with Haynes yet so he could factor in.

 

Armah showed well last year and is our only guy on the roster at FB so I think he’ll stick as our guy there. How many snaps he’ll play is yet to be seen and he didn’t touch the ball once last year but maybe that can change...

 

Obada is a longer shot but we’ll see. How he plays in the preseason this year will determine his fate I believe.

Losing Fozzy helps Armahs chances too. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

I really hope Armah shows out this year. From a blocking FB for the run game and as a occasional threat out of the backfield. Some good ole “I” formations with Armah leading C.J. late in game s would be really nice to see.  I am so tired of watching them try to run the 4 minute drill from the gun with Stewart out of shotgun only to see him get smothered for a 1 yard loss. 

Hell nothing would make me happier (and @Saca312 and @Ace_Aladdin) to see us have the ability to run out the clock late in games by having a 2 TE set with Olsen and Thomas and having Armah lead the way.  I know the game has changed but to have a power running game again would be really satisfying. 

[Seoul_Panther]

I like all three of these players, but the guy I’m really hoping for a step-up from is Obada.

 Realistically there is a limit to the impact Armah can make because he will struggle for touches. I don’t think they see him as a dynamic ball carrier sadly, just a role player.

  I like Cox as a solid rotational piece but he doesn’t have the measurables to be more than that.

  Maybe it’s weird but I’m more curious about the fringe players and UDFAs than the big names at this time of year.

[DaveThePanther2008]

14 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I like all three of these players, but the guy I’m really hoping for a step-up from is Obada.

 Realistically there is a limit to the impact Armah can make because he will struggle for touches. I don’t think they see him as a dynamic ball carrier sadly, just a role player.

  I like Cox as a solid rotational piece but he doesn’t have the measurables to be more than that.

  Maybe it’s weird but I’m more curious about the fringe players and UDFAs than the big names at this time of year.

I don't know about carries for Armah but the opportunity to use him out of the backfield as a pass catcher is intriguing.  He has good hands and is pretty fast for a big guy.  He'll be a beast to bring down.

[run-run-pass-punt]

I think Armah could be lethal in Norv's offense when it's firing on all cylinders.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I don't see how you can count them out long term.   We are losing JP after this season and if Cox continues to grow I don't see why he wouldn't stay for a longer term.  Armah I think it depends on how Turner uses him.  He has great hands and has show flashes of being something special.

Obada has shown flashes and because he couldn't be added to the roster last year only the coaches know.  I would love to see him get some quality snaps during the pre-season.

This is the first year I haven't been able to pick a UDFA that I thought would make it.   We'll see when OTAs and Mini-camps start.   Though there isn't any contact you'll get an idea of possibilities.

I am just really playing the odds on UDFA's and lower round players being successful long term. We often see these guys come and go with very few sticking past their initial contracts. They can be valuable as depth players for their rookie or short term contracts but for every Norwell there are countless other UDFA's signings that never make a roster or end up mired on practice squads.

Obada is facing a scenario of having little to no football experience and then trying to succeed at the highest level of football. I think the odds of him being successful are extremely, extremely long. That doesn't mean it is not a worthwhile venture for the NFL to have embarked upon but I would be surprised to see any of those players part of the International Player Pathway program end up making a roster.

It's not that I am trying to poo on the idea that some might make it, it isn't just something I would bet on.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Alex Armah -  I hope that he has a big role in this offense.  I think he stays and fills the role that Tolbert had in Turner's offense.  I really haven't heard anything about him in the offseason.  

Brian Cox Jr. - He seems to have the talent and with a year under his belt I hope he sticks.  

Efe Obada - I hope he gets a good look from Washington.   I hope he gets some reps with the first and second team so we can see what he can truly do.

Anyone of the UDFA offensive linemen.   We have a ton on the roster so there will be a huge battle for backup positions and possibly one of them pulls a Norwell and cracks the lineup.

 

Alex Armah is going to be critical to the run the game & special teams!

UDFA: Brendan Mahon 

 

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Alex Armah -  I hope that he has a big role in this offense.  I think he stays and fills the role that Tolbert had in Turner's offense.  I really haven't heard anything about him in the offseason.  

Brian Cox Jr. - He seems to have the talent and with a year under his belt I hope he sticks.  

Efe Obada - I hope he gets a good look from Washington.   I hope he gets some reps with the first and second team so we can see what he can truly do.

Anyone of the UDFA offensive linemen.   We have a ton on the roster so there will be a huge battle for backup positions and possibly one of them pulls a Norwell and cracks the lineup.

 

I think the G from Penn State has a chance, but I wonder if they don't develop him to be a center. 

To the PS for the DEs you list, but they have potential.  DEs on this roster are looking at the post-Peppers era and should expect Addison to start his decline at age 32--next year.  Hall and Haynes need to have strong preseasons vs the run--the pass rush will come later.

I think  Armah and Hood compete for that job.  Winner talks, loser walks.

[brandon_87]

2 hours ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I like all three of these players, but the guy I’m really hoping for a step-up from is Obada.

 Realistically there is a limit to the impact Armah can make because he will struggle for touches. I don’t think they see him as a dynamic ball carrier sadly, just a role player.

  I like Cox as a solid rotational piece but he doesn’t have the measurables to be more than that.

  Maybe it’s weird but I’m more curious about the fringe players and UDFAs than the big names at this time of year.

Pretty accurate, but there is never a FB that is a dynamic ball carrier haha

[top dawg]

On 5/19/2018 at 10:27 AM, Seoul_Panther said:

I like all three of these players, but the guy I’m really hoping for a step-up from is Obada.

 Realistically there is a limit to the impact Armah can make because he will struggle for touches. I don’t think they see him as a dynamic ball carrier sadly, just a role player.

  I like Cox as a solid rotational piece but he doesn’t have the measurables to be more than that.

  Maybe it’s weird but I’m more curious about the fringe players and UDFAs than the big names at this time of year.

I always have a certain level of excitement about a fringe player or two. I think it's somewhat normal...at least for the optimist. 

Within that same vein, you may be absolutely correct about Cox, but I wouldn't limit the kid (in my mind) at such an arguably early juncture. Measurables are sometimes vastly overrated. We sometimes fall in love with measurables, right or wrong, unjustifiably so.