For all those "We suck at drafting" people

[CarolinaSamurai]

35 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

You don't make your bread in the first round. It's rounds 3-6 where you show your true skills. Hurney nailed first rounders but anything past round 2 was mostly abysmal  along with his UDFA evaluations

That's not entirely true. Look at the teams with the least outside of the Packers they don't even sniff the playoffs most years. In reality it's a combination of both high and low draft picks plus free agency. But missing on high Rd picks and hitting on low isn't any better. 

[L-TownCat]

Marty still sucks. 

End of discussion.

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, thebigcat said:

You don't make your bread in the first round. It's rounds 3-6 where you show your true skills. Hurney nailed first rounders but anything past round 2 was mostly abysmal  along with his UDFA evaluations

See, this is a fine example of total bullshit written as fact. As a GM you DO make your bread in the first round... missing the mark there is disastrous to a career and a team. Please see Cleveland, Oakland, Cincinnati, Miami, Washington, Jacksonville, etc... for a number of examples. Rounds three to six have huge numbers of washouts and in comparison Hurney is no worse than any other GM in the league. And UDFA evals are an even bigger crapshoot and rely heavily on ancillary scouting or marketing by second and third tier agents.

 

[Khyber53]

34 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Russell Wilson, Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman had a TON to do with the Seahawks winning the Superbowl

Yep, they caught lightning in a bottle, worked for a couple of years. And Brady was a sixth rounder. In each case, they were selected not because it was obvious they would be stars, but instead someone took a chance on them and it paid off. The same chance each team takes on everyone from rounds 3-6. It's all a roll of the dice at that level and the odds are with the house. Both the Seahawks and Patriots have a number of flops chosen in those rounds, too.

 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Yep, they caught lightning in a bottle, worked for a couple of years. And Brady was a sixth rounder. In each case, they were selected not because it was obvious they would be stars, but instead someone took a chance on them and it paid off. The same chance each team takes on everyone from rounds 3-6. It's all a roll of the dice at that level and the odds are with the house. Both the Seahawks and Patriots have a number of flops chosen in those rounds, too.

Saints swept us largely on the strength of a single great draft as well.

Albert Breer pointed out recently that teams have gotten extremely good at retaining their own players.  Finding an answer in free agency isn't so easy anymore, and he expects it's likely to get even tougher.

Drafting well is of major importance if you want to be successful at this point.

Now, nobody has a better system for that than the Steelers, so here's hoping we pick up some of their people and that system under Tepper.

[heel31ok]

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Drafting is more about just All Pros. The issue with our drafting is that it has largely been boom or bust. We’ve had numerous entire draft classes that were entire busts or where we got one great player and the rest was utter trash. Those types of drafts really show up on your overall depth chart. It’s how you end up with our secondary last year and fielding a WR corps of practice squad players in a playoff game.

I think we have had development issues that contribute to this..

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

21 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

 

[LinvilleGorge]

52 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

I think we have had development issues that contribute to this..

 

Possibly but it’s not like we’ve had tons of guys go on to be successful elsewhere. Evan Mathis is about the only name that comes to mind.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Possibly but it’s not like we’ve had tons of guys go on to be successful elsewhere. Evan Mathis is about the only name that comes to mind.

You could argue Kenjon Barner, though not to the degree of Mathis.

And perhaps Ted Ginn...

[Doyle]

You guys just like to bitch. If we had drafted a bunch of mediocre players in the late rounds but no all pros in the first you would bitch even more. 

Gettleman was the best GM ever according to you yet Shula was the worst OC ever and once Gettleman left he was immediately on board with hiring Shula.  You guys are seriously retarted.   

[TheRed]

57 minutes ago, Doyle said:

You guys are seriously retarted.   

[stirs]

http://thehuddlereport.com/valuegrades.shtml

[Doyle]

49 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You got me Red.  Can you get a girl?

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Doyle said:

You got me Red.  Can you get a girl?

You're laying the "you can't get laid" insult on too thick for effectiveness.

Quit while you're behind.