dj moore is raising more red flags than the coast during hurricane season to me

[bewonee]

44 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Moore is Moore than a bit bigger than Austin. 

"Rough" at routes? Just because he wasn't asked to do more routes, much like most college receivers, doesn't mean that he can't do more. Moreover, the routes that he was asked to do, he excelled at.

Tavon Austin wish that he had the YACntc ability that Moore has. Austin needs space. Moore not only will make you pay in space, he makes his own space. Austin is not nearly as physical, and probably doesn't have anywhere near the athletic traits that Moore has (and, I haven't even looked the numbers up). They are just a different type of receiver. Moore is a real receiver, not a small gadget player that people will have to scheme for or figure out how to use.

Moore is also smart and gets "it." Can you say the same of Austin? Something has held the kid back---either smarts or physical limitations. 

Moore played with crappy QBs (four or five of them) in a crapy, limited system in where he was basically their total offense, and everyone knew it. Of course his stats weren't the most efficient, but he still found a way to produce notwithstanding an absolutely horrible situation for a receiver, and he did it without complaint. Stats! Why don't you check out how much he accounted for in their offense?

You need to get the bigger picture! You have to add context before you start evaluating and making comparisons (and prematurely worrying).

1. He was asked to do more routes, he just didnt do anything. Didnt get open.

2. Remember when everyone thought Bortles could be good because of garbage time stats? Stats aren't always correct.

3. Austin did have an open field ability amd still does.

4. I get the crap QB stuff but he also played against bad big 10 defenses.

38 minutes ago, juliosantos said:

stephon diggs went to maryland too and dj moore had much better stats 

Diggs came out of seemingly no where and Moore did as well seeing as he is statistically a one year wonder.

 

33 minutes ago, MtnProwler said:

You pointed out some negatives, which most receivers have coming out of college. Now to the positives that I saw:

He broke the first tackle about 50% of the time.

He has great hands, body built for an NFL season, and fluid running. 

He had a curl route where he gained accurate position but the ball was poorly thrown.

He had an up and out where he beat what looked like double zone coverage for a completion but was another poorly thrown ball.

The QB from Maryland is average and couldn't make many throws outside out slants and screens, the timing throws were off. I wonder how much of the play calling was held back more because of the QB rather than any of the WRs?

The problem is that yeah the QBs held him back, but he struggles to get open. You mentioned two bad throws and I agree but the issue is that he struggles to consistently get open.

[caatfan]

Big Ten receiver of the year last season, and then his draft stock went up at the combine. That's enough evaluation for me. Somebody on a forum saying 'I dunno about this guy' doesn't worry me. At all. 

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, bewonee said:

1. He was asked to do more routes, he just didnt do anything. Didnt get open.

2. Remember when everyone thought Bortles could be good because of garbage time stats? Stats aren't always correct.

3. Austin did have an open field ability amd still does.

4. I get the crap QB stuff but he also played against bad big 10 defenses.

1.He did get open on other routes, just not to the degree that you like. This is not unheard of of college receivers, but he has the mentality to learn. Moreover, he wasn't the one calling the plays. Unlike Ridley, for example, he didn't have anyone to consistently take pressure away. 

2. The "garbage time" stat in college is basically bullshit. College players play ball, and play hard until the end.

3. Of course Austin is good in the open field (which I basically said), but he's nothing special with yards after contact. He gets by on acceleration  and quickness. Moore will break ankles, but, more importantly, break tackles. He's stronger, more athletic, and has much better hands. 

4. What difference do crappy defenses make to a receiver if the QB is miss-throwing the ball all over the yard? Bad QB play hurts everyone, especially receivers. Bad QBs can't exploit bad defenses, so that negates your point.

[Fox007]

5'8 170 WR is the same as a 6'0 210 WR

DAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for dat.

Oh and another YT is film guys. There's no quicker way to invalidate your opinion than calling highlight videos "film". rofl

[Actionman0z]

2 hours ago, bewonee said:

i know everyone here is high on moore. i was as well, but looking at some film and at his stats plus taking into account the defenses he played were awful, i'm worried. he has a much higher bust potential than y'all realize. im one of the bigger homers here and even i can see it now. dj moore is like a less athletic tavon austin based on what ive seen. take the penn state game for example:

 

first play is a screen pass which goes for 4. okay, thats fine. next play is some gadget bullshit that loses 10 yards. the play after that is.. another screen.. next play is incomplete, and guess what, another fuging screen after that. his route tree is awful. literally awful. it isn't anything but screens and slants. you cant even call it a route tree. he doesnt have a gain over 10 yards untill maryland is down 21-0. as a matter of fact, that is another area of concern for me. garbage time stat padding. notice how many of his highlights come from his team being down multiple scores? yeah, i did too. but you know what? maybe this is just a bad game, a fluke. Let's look at another game instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhOQLGZIYjY

first catch is a screen. reinforcing narratives here. disappears for 2 snaps, then shows up and is covered well on a batted pass. disappears completely for a while again , as maryland falls behind 21-0. incomplete on a corner route. next play is a gadget play, reinforcing the tavon austin comparison. next play is a simple flat route which goes for a gain of like 8, his best play of the game outside of the gadget pass. next play is a screen. this gets really repitive doesn't it? screens, slants and one (1) flat route are the only successful routes i have seen him run. that isn't what we need, we need seperation. after a few plays of him being a ghost again, being targetted but covered like a blanket, or incompletions by the bad qb play, he makes a great catch but it only goes for like 5. another slant screen type play for a first but only 4 yards or so. next is another slant screen which is stuffed. and thats it.

 

gonna get poo'd to hell and back but i really dont care, im concerned as hell about this pick here.

Yeah, bro, who the fug are you, and what is your "skill set for talent evaluation" in the NFL? Do you realize this guy was the only threat on the team, and still tore it up? Give me a fuging break homie. You're grasping at straws, be scared. There is a 50% chance he blows. 50% chance hes the best guy on the roster. Go back to fugtown, troll. 

[Manther]

DJ Moore looked good in that video.  In this one, he looks better.  I think one Nebraska player missed two tackles on the same play.  

[Jeremy Igo]

Panthers scouts wanted Ridley. Time will tell. 

[Captain Obvious]

I hope he sucks so certain people here can say I told you so.

 

I hope he is great so certain people here can say I told you so.

 

Me? I'm all out of fugs to give.

[MechaZain]

I love the pick for his potential but a lot of people are acting like he's a plug-and-play #1 WR and I admittedly don't see it. YAC is a completely different beast in the pros. If he's really our answer we need way more out of him than making magic out of quick routes.

 I really like that he's used to adjusting even to badly placed balls. That'll be his greatest asset to our offense, most of our guys need damn near perfect placement to have a shot.

[Carolina-Chuck18]

I trust 89

[BigSyke]

On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 9:13 AM, Carl Spackler said:

YouTube is film?

Yeah, but you need sky box footage or all 22 film to really scout correctly.

 

Youtuber scout just do amatuer style scouting. If you have an eye for talent you can usually pick okay guys. But there are so many intangibles/and or personality traits  outside of football that YouTube scouts dont know about guys, so a Nfl scout should always have a better outlook on each player.

[bewonee]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

1.He did get open on other routes, just not to the degree that you like. This is not unheard of of college receivers, but he has the mentality to learn. Moreover, he wasn't the one calling the plays. Unlike Ridley, for example, he didn't have anyone to consistently take pressure away. 

2. The "garbage time" stat in college is basically bullshit. College players play ball, and play hard until the end.

3. Of course Austin is good in the open field (which I basically said), but he's nothing special with yards after contact. He gets by on acceleration  and quickness. Moore will break ankles, but, more importantly, break tackles. He's stronger, more athletic, and has much better hands. 

4. What difference do crappy defenses make to a receiver if the QB is miss-throwing the ball all over the yard? Bad QB play hurts everyone, especially receivers. Bad QBs can't exploit bad defenses, so that negates your point.

1. But it's against bad defenses.

2. No, they don't.

3. Ah I misunderstood then.

4. Of course it makes everyone worse but at the same time it's still a bad defense and Moore struggled to get open against bad defenses.

1 hour ago, Manther said:

DJ Moore looked good in that video.  In this one, he looks better.  I think one Nebraska player missed two tackles on the same play.  

Well would you look at that garbage time highlight I was talking about in OP.

 

1 hour ago, Actionman0z said:

Yeah, bro, who the fug are you, and what is your "skill set for talent evaluation" in the NFL? Do you realize this guy was the only threat on the team, and still tore it up? Give me a fuging break homie. You're grasping at straws, be scared. There is a 50% chance he blows. 50% chance hes the best guy on the roster. Go back to fugtown, troll. 

Tore it up when it didn't matter anymore. I am not grasping at straws and why should I be scared? Gonna send the US military to my door for a bad word? Jej. 

[Actionman0z]

1 minute ago, bewonee said:

1. But it's against bad defenses.

2. No, they don't.

3. Ah I misunderstood then.

4. Of course it makes everyone worse but at the same time it's still a bad defense and Moore struggled to get open against bad defenses.

Well would you look at that garbage time highlight I was talking about in OP.

 

Tore it up when it didn't matter anymore. I am not grasping at straws and why should I be scared? Gonna send the US military to my door for a bad word? Jej. 

No be scared that hes a bust, douche. 

[bewonee]

1 minute ago, Actionman0z said:

No be scared that hes a bust, douche. 

I'm the douche here? You are the one acting like a smug asshole not me (unless someone does it to me).