Will DJ Moore become a solid weapon for Cam Newton?

[London Loves Luke]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

I don't see how garbage affects ones ability to run a route effectively. Route running is route running. You either know it or not. Garbage time doesn't affect how a person runs his routes against situation x. Sure, you can argue the playcalling differs based on garbage time or not, and the type of routes run, but realistically garbage time is not a variable in one's ability to run a certain route.

I’m fine with the analytics part of your write up, athletically he’s a freak and I expect huge things from DJ. But you see football as science a little too much. ‘Route running is not just route running’ it’s an art that seperates the greats from the goods. It’s as much acting as it is athleticism, how a wr used his eyes, hands and hips to get a dB to play slow and gain seperation.

Because DJ has had so many different qbs, he’s had to focus on a limited tree and  I can’t imagine the we coaching is the best at Maryland. He’ll develop, no doubt about it, but you should consider adding the art of football in to your analytic write ups a little.

[Saca312]

16 minutes ago, London Loves Luke said:

he’s had to focus on a limited tree and  I can’t imagine the we coaching is the best at Maryland.

I'm specifically addressing how garbage time affects his route running. I already did address his bad coaching + limited route tree in my post, albeit I forgot to specifically mention his raw route tree now that I think of it.

But yes, I do understand his coaching was very bad. I already addressed how that negatively affects his ability to play outside. I can agree with that.

 

[kungfoodude]

I will give that question a hard "maybe."

[AU-panther]

What definition of a “solid weapon” are we using here?

Wwould people be happy with 50 catches? 600 yards?

[Saca312]

10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What definition of a “solid weapon” are we using here?

Wwould people be happy with 50 catches? 600 yards?

People probably won't be satisfied. I would be very surprised to see him eclipse 1000 yards.

On the stats sheet, I doubt he'll be one that will light it up his rookie year. Unless he fixes up all his technique issues by the season start, he'll relegate a role in the slot and help fill in for Cam's easy lay-ups. Now, he will make big plays because of his explosive nature and YAC ability, but I don't think we'll see him be someone who'll stretch down the field deep. I see Torrey Smith and Curtis Samuel given that role. 

However, he will be a weapon Cam needs. Christian McCaffrey last year was pretty much the only one who could effectively be used in the short-intermediate range. While he's versatile and good at that, it's not ideal to keep using your runningback in that role without some help. Moore helps ease CMC back into the primary runner role while helps fill in for CMC's short-intermediate impact.

So, by solid, I primarily mean someone who makes an impact and positively helps the offense. DJ Moore's floor is precisely the role this offense lacks. Success = solid, and I expect DJ Moore to achieve that.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Drafting a player is all about potential.  Many first round picks with potential become busts.  Moore's potential is through the roof.  Will he be a bust in the NFL?  No one really knows till we get him on the field. 

What happens when a running back gets to the second level.  They usually have a good gain.   Like the first gif.  That puts pressure on the defense.  Due to Moore's ability to be a RB after the catch. Defenses will have to watch for Moore getting the ball on the 2nd level.  This keeps the box clear for CJ and CMC on running plays.  

He has decent speed and as many talking heads say he was the best complete receiver in the class.  I will take that for now. 

Those that think he's a bust are only butthurt that the player they wanted didn't get picked. 

 

[Saca312]

7 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Those that think he's a bust

Tbh the way I'm seeing it Moore's pretty much impossible to bust as long as the Panthers use him properly. He's got a reliable floor that I can say with near certainty he probably won't go below. Just based on that he won't be a bust.

Now, if you're expecting him to get 1000+ yards his rookie year and him becoming some dominant WR1, then I guess by that lofty crazy aspirations for a poor rookie he is a bust.

But if you want someone who'll immediately contribute to the offense in a way we haven't seen last year, expect Moore to pass with flying colors.

[jasonluckydog]

Most likely a bust but we'll see 

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Tbh the way I'm seeing it Moore's pretty much impossible to bust as long as the Panthers use him properly. He's got a reliable floor that I can say with near certainty he probably won't go below. Just based on that he won't be a bust.

Now, if you're expecting him to get 1000+ yards his rookie year and him becoming some dominant WR1, then I guess by that lofty crazy aspirations for a poor rookie he is a bust.

But if you want someone who'll immediately contribute to the offense in a way we haven't seen last year, expect Moore to pass with flying colors.

I expect Cam to surpass 4000 yds this year.  To me that is the stat we should watch.  If Cam spreads it around to Byrd, Samuel, Moore, Wright, Smith, Olsen, CMC and Thomas what difference does it make on individual stats. 

Throw in 1500 yds rushing by CMC, CJ and CAP.  We'll have a great season.

If Moore is good enough to garner some attention than his rookie season will be a success.  IMO this is the #1 reason why we took him over Ridley.  The running back mentality he has after the catch.

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Tbh the way I'm seeing it Moore's pretty much impossible to bust as long as the Panthers use him properly. He's got a reliable floor that I can say with near certainty he probably won't go below. Just based on that he won't be a bust.

Well, he probably wasn't going to be a bust until you said it was pretty much impossible for him to be one. Kiss of death....

[SOJA]

8 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

Most likely a bust but we'll see 

what makes you think that?

[SOJA]

great write up Saca!

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

Most likely a bust but we'll see 

If you just look at Panthers WR drafting history, bust is always the safest bet. 

Personally, I think it was a good pick. If he can just be a consistent starter with moderate to good production over his career here, then it was a successful pick. I don't require that he be Steve Smith or Musin Muhammad.

[GoPanthers123]

On questions like this we can look at how he fits into the offensive scheme as a whole, and his success will also depend on success of the running game this year. Establish the run and then throw to Moore whose strength is yards after the catch.  Just play to the strengths of what we have.  I can see him getting 1000 yards if used properly.