Andrew Whitworth #87 on 2018 top 100 List

[Peppers90 NC]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I know that no matter where he is ranked, you will be first in line to say it’s too high. 

You do know a lot. Cheers guy, try to enjoy your Sunday.

[Moo Daeng]

1.5 sacks and 2 penalties are the quantifiable difference between Kalil and Whitworth last season.

My main gripe with Kalil was how miserable he was in run blocking. He seemed to be avoiding it on purpose.

[AggieLean]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Does everyone forget that Oher going down with a career ending concussion was the reason that we were screwed at LT?

DG found a good value, and player in Oher, but injuries happen...just not normally career ending.

 

I’ve seen you call Otah a bust due to him not being on the field much after his first season. Would you say that was a good pick, and injuries happen?

If Otah was a bust of a pick, then Oher was a bust of a free agent pick up.

[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

This is where I'm at with the constant Kalil panty wadding.

We have a franchise QB, had the best GCG combo in the league, a HOF level TE, two 1st round running backs, while not the best receiving staff in the league, it did boats a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

If we can't figure out how to scheme around an average to below average T, then we need a new offensive coordinator.

Scheme can win you a couple games but playoffs and superbowl are a different story. Especially if teams absolutely know who the weak link is. 

You can expect him to keep getting abused like cam jordan did him when it matters the most.

[CPF4LIFE]

Let me also say i dont know why people are so confident in Norv. The big reason why it didnt work in Minnesota because teddy kept getting killed because Norv couldn't scheme around that terrible offensive line they had at the time and he ended up walking way from his duties So i dont know why people automatically expect a difference. While he is a upgrade over shula, I am still taking a wait and see approach on Norv.

[SOJA]

34 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Let me also say i dont know why people are so confident in Norv. The big reason why it didnt work in Minnesota because teddy kept getting killed because Norv couldn't scheme around that terrible offensive line they had at the time and he ended up walking way from his duties So i dont know why people automatically expect a difference. While he is a upgrade over shula, I am still taking a wait and see approach on Norv.

especially considering our skill personnel do not match a prototypical norv tuner offense either. praying that he is smart enough not to jam a square peg through a small circle. 

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

I’ve seen you call Otah a bust due to him not being on the field much after his first season. Would you say that was a good pick, and injuries happen?

If Otah was a bust of a pick, then Oher was a bust of a free agent pick up.

No, it was a OK pick, but giving up the next years 1st to get him was a terrible move.

And no, Oher was not a bust of a FA pickup. 2 year 7M for a starting LT that we rode to a SB berth.

[thefuzz]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but that isn't an excuse to hamper us with a horrific player for 3-4 seasons. Frankly, Matt Kalil was pretty close to the worst option available. Kalil was a legit dumpster dive, a deep one at that, and he didn't pay him like a dumpster dive option. No question the Oher injury had an impact but remember that Oher was out since the third week of the 2016, so Gettleman had to at least consider that after missing almost the entire year and not being able to clear concussion protocol, it wasn't a given he would be able to come back. He had plenty of time to prepare a plan that offseason, he just made a pretty terrible decision, IMO. And if we didn't even have another honest option for LT on the roster to fill in, that also has to fall on DG. He built it. 

I can't say this enough, I was not a fan of the Kalil signing or price tag.

 

However, to completely blame DG for not have a LT is a little short sighted.  We did have a good LT, we just lost him to a very unfortunate situation.  

Whit would have been a better signing, but from what I remember, he wanted to play on the west coast...can't recall if that's accurate, but for some reason it's stuck in my head.

[AggieLean]

54 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

No, it was a OK pick, but giving up the next years 1st to get him was a terrible move.

And no, Oher was not a bust of a FA pickup. 2 year 7M for a starting LT that we rode to a SB berth.

Meh, Otah was apart of a line that helped produce 2 1000 yard rushers and hid us from having to rely on Jake, atleast, up until that game against the Cards. While I don’t think it was a great move, I think had it worked out not too many would’ve been upset about the move. 

Oh well, injuries happen.

[MasterAwesome]

14 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

in 2017 4 out of our 5 linemen had at least one career all pro or pro bowl by season's end.  if you can't scheme around a poo left tackle with that then you need to be blaming the coaches.

5 of 5*...that same “poo left tackle” did make a Pro Bowl his rookie year.

[BigSyke]

16 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Let me also say i dont know why people are so confident in Norv. The big reason why it didnt work in Minnesota because teddy kept getting killed because Norv couldn't scheme around that terrible offensive line they had at the time and he ended up walking way from his duties So i dont know why people automatically expect a difference. While he is a upgrade over shula, I am still taking a wait and see approach on Norv. 

True especially if he is trying to run an Air Coryell system or any system with long developing routes. 

That poo does not work with a terrible oline and slow ass wr. 

The most successful offenses like that had fast wr like Issac Bruce/Tory Holt on the outside and elite olines.(1999 Rams)

 

[RumHam]

On 5/5/2018 at 10:03 PM, Hoenheim said:

Lattimore and M.Thomas from the Saints are the only NFC South players on the top 100 so far (#82 and #81)

Who do you guys predict will be on the list from the Panthers?

Cam:  pretty much has to be. Not a great passing season but he lead his team in rushing and posted the highest rushing total of his career.  My guess is #50 or so.

Luke : Had a down season but so did the entire defense, still had 3 picks and a fumble recovery defensive touchdown to go along with 70+ tackles and 50+ assists on tackles , with 1.5 sacks is still a very respectable season overall. He should be our highest ranked player like usual (with the exception of 2015 of course) . So my guess is #15

I dont think any of our other players will be on the top 100. Maybe Peppers because he got 11 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles at age 37 is rediculous. If hes on the list my guess is #72

Its odd that we went 11-5 by we might only have 2 players on the top 100 . CMC and Funchess were incredibly important to us team wise but I doubt they'll leave much of an impression league wide to be on the top 100. None of our secondary from last season deserve to be on the list, so I'd be okay with just Luke and Peppers from the D. 

Peppers and Short will make the list and probably pretty soon. Trai Turner also will probably make the list and there's a chance Funchess and CMC do too.