Andrew Whitworth #87 on 2018 top 100 List

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Hopefully Cam is in the top 20 of this list or many guys including OP will be talking about how stupid the top 100 players list is.

Atta boy. Attack the list which is actually irrelevant. The guy was 1st team All-PRO!!!

Or do we use some other standard to measure elite play at a position? And Whitworth didn’t get it on reputation. 

[Peppers90 NC]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Atta boy. Attack the list which is actually irrelevant. The guy was 1st team All-PRO!!!

Or do we use some other standard to measure elite play at a position? And Whitworth didn’t get it on reputation. 

Somebody got sand in her vagina this morning. Good luck with that. Yea 

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

At least he tried to do what he could. Gentleman, low key, fuged us at the LT spot with an absolutely terrible contract.

Does everyone forget that Oher going down with a career ending concussion was the reason that we were screwed at LT?

DG found a good value, and player in Oher, but injuries happen...just not normally career ending.

 

[thefuzz]

57 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

in 2017 4 out of our 5 linemen had at least one career all pro or pro bowl by season's end.  if you can't scheme around a poo left tackle with that then you need to be blaming the coaches.

This is where I'm at with the constant Kalil panty wadding.

We have a franchise QB, had the best GCG combo in the league, a HOF level TE, two 1st round running backs, while not the best receiving staff in the league, it did boats a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

If we can't figure out how to scheme around an average to below average T, then we need a new offensive coordinator.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Carolina-Chuck18 said:

I wanted Whitworth too. But he just got a better deal. And blame Ryan Kalil

I would have preferred taking the short term cap hit to get a dependable player in Whitworth rather than an empty spot on the field like Kalil. I was HEAVILY against signing Kalil and he has proved to be as bad as expected. Especially when we are about to have so much drop off the cap in the next 2-3 years. Basically by the time Whitworth was ready to retire, we would have a ton of cap space free up anyway. Now, admittedly, we probably can't make deals like extending Olsen but I am not sure that is the wisest choice even in the short term.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Somebody got sand in her vagina this morning. Good luck with that. Yea 

 I apologize for using logic and facts in a debate. That’s usually when the conversation turns towards these comments. It’s easier for you to just type “ I don’t know WTF I’m talking about.”

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

in 2017 4 out of our 5 linemen had at least one career all pro or pro bowl by season's end.  if you can't scheme around a poo left tackle with that then you need to be blaming the coaches.

Yeah but keep in mind Ryan Kalil missed almost the entire season. Larsen was a reasonable replacement, but a legit step down. And it can be somewhat hard to account for how atrocious Matt Kalil was. There is no question our former OC was not well suited for scheming around our OL weaknesses, though. Those inadequacies were amplified by his incompetence. 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

At least he tried to do what he could. Gentleman, low key, fuged us at the LT spot with an absolutely terrible contract.

Basically did what hurney did regularly only with homegrown players.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but keep in mind Ryan Kalil missed almost the entire season. Larsen was a reasonable replacement, but a legit step down. And it can be somewhat hard to account for how atrocious Matt Kalil was. There is no question our former OC was not well suited for scheming around our OL weaknesses, though. Those inadequacies were amplified by his incompetence. 

  Problem is, he was equally as bad while playing under our new OC. 

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Does everyone forget that Oher going down with a career ending concussion was the reason that we were screwed at LT?

DG found a good value, and player in Oher, but injuries happen...just not normally career ending.

 

Yeah but that isn't an excuse to hamper us with a horrific player for 3-4 seasons. Frankly, Matt Kalil was pretty close to the worst option available. Kalil was a legit dumpster dive, a deep one at that, and he didn't pay him like a dumpster dive option. No question the Oher injury had an impact but remember that Oher was out since the third week of the 2016, so Gettleman had to at least consider that after missing almost the entire year and not being able to clear concussion protocol, it wasn't a given he would be able to come back. He had plenty of time to prepare a plan that offseason, he just made a pretty terrible decision, IMO. And if we didn't even have another honest option for LT on the roster to fill in, that also has to fall on DG. He built it. 

[Peppers90 NC]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 I apologize for using logic and facts in a debate. That’s usually when the conversation turns towards these comments. It’s easier for you to just type “ I don’t know WTF I’m talking about.”

It’s like I said something then you argued about something I didn’t even say. You aren’t worth taking seriously. It’s not my fault despite your insight and football acumen that you don’t have a position in a front office but I get you are extremely frustrated about it. 

If Cam is ranked like #53 on this list you don’t think people here will be trashing the list? It won’t be m wasting my time crying about it.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Basically did what hurney did regularly only with homegrown players.

And it got his ass fired too. I WAS glad to see either of them go when they did. Both started out well with us and had some legit positives but I was glad to see them both get canned at the point that they did.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

It’s like I said something then you argued about something I didn’t even say. You aren’t worth taking seriously. It’s not my fault despite your insight and football acumen that you don’t have a position in a front office but I get you are extremely frustrated about it. 

If Cam is ranked like #53 on this list you don’t think people here will be trashing the list? It won’t be m wasting my time crying about it.

  I know that no matter where he is ranked, you will be first in line to say it’s too high. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Problem is, he was equally as bad while playing under our new OC. 

Yeah and I don't expect that to change. When you have a player that is significantly below average at such a critical position, it is going to be hard to game plan for that. And look at the top tier pass rushers we have in the NFC South to deal with, as well. But, right now we are probably going to have to deal with Kalil for at least another 2 seasons before we can cut him and not have a metric ton of dead money sitting on the cap. It would be nice to have signed or drafted someone to at least compete there. I realize the availability of even mediocre LT's has been limited but damn....