What if Marty Hurney

[sharkkiller]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How much did Olsen play last year?

Injuries are not only more common with players in their thirties, but also harder to recover from. That's why most teams don't do stuff like this. They'd rather let a player go too early than too late.

He had a broken foot. That type of injury is not likely to linger, and he came back strong in the playoffs. He is also coming off of back to back to back 1000 yd seasons. Bottom line is that is was a good extension, and people don't like it because it was Hurney that did it.

 

[grimesgoat]

Marty isn't going anywhere until we have a truly lousy season - 6-10 or worse.  This may be caused by a pair of back-to-back bad drafts, but more likely due to a run of bad injuries to aging veteran players taking up a ton of our cap space.  I believe with the talent on the roster, we should be successful for the next 2-3 years.  The housecleaning (Coach and GM) will take place at the end of the 2021 season.

Unless the Panthers win a superb owl in the next 3 years.  Then it will take two 6-10 type years to end their reign.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Marty isn't going anywhere until we have a truly lousy season - 6-10 or worse.  This may be caused by a pair of back-to-back bad drafts, but more likely due to a run of bad injuries to aging veteran players taking up a ton of our cap space.  I believe with the talent on the roster, we should be successful for the next 2-3 years.  The housecleaning (Coach and GM) will take place at the end of the 2021 season.

Unless the Panthers win a superb owl in the next 3 years.  Then it will take two 6-10 type years to end their reign.

I could follow that logic if Jerry Richardson was remaining as owner.

Since he's not, and since there's a scandal the team and the league want to move on from, I doubt it's that simple.

[Darvinsun]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, our friend Verge (friends with a scout) also said he had heard that Olsen threatened the team with retirement.

Beyond that though, even teams with Hall of Fame quality players don't tend to give additional extensions within two years of the last extension, especially to players in their 30s.

I like Olsen, but if Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith can be let go, so can he.

 

I think Olsen has reworked his contract several times even when he was 1000yds TE to help the team. If he is still producing at a good rate why not extend him for as much as he does on the offensive side of the ball. He should be extended. As for those old timers being released this is a different time period football has changed. It is hard to find a good caliber TE that does what Olsen does might 2nd behind finding a good QB almost. We have been looking for a back up for 3yrs and haven' found one yet not too mention a starter

 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

How many GM interviews did Marty get after he was canned?

Thought he took a break and went into radio and broadcasting. Did he even want to be a GM anymore when he was fired? It isn't as if being a GM was all he had done or aspired to do 

 

[Fox007]

lmao yea...all the people who get fired should use that at their next interview.

Employer: "So tell us about what happened at your last job"
Interviewee: "Well i decided to take a break(got fired)"

rofl

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

I think Olsen has reworked his contract several times even when he was 1000yds TE to help the team. If he is still producing at a good rate why not extend him for as much as he does on the offensive side of the ball. He should be extended. As for those old timers being released this is a different time period football has changed. It is hard to find a good caliber TE that does what Olsen does might 2nd behind finding a good QB almost. We have been looking for a back up for 3yrs and haven' found one yet not too mention a starter

 

Agree that if your extension is for a lower cap hit than you are currently making, it is performance based so you only get paid if you produce, and you are considered one of the best at what you do it seems that an extension is reasonable and doesn't set a bad example for everyone else.  The guys he were replaced because they were considered on the decline or were going to replaced by someone younger or better. If that happens to Olsen then he should be cut too..   

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

lmao yea...all the people who get fired should use that at their next interview.

Employer: "So tell us about what happened at your last job"
Interviewee: "Well i decided to take a break(got fired)"

rofl

Might be a good thing if you recognize it didn't go well and you give it time to learn and reflect by doing something else for a while that way when you go back you do it differently and better like he is doing now.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I can't believe there are folks on here buying the "I learned how to be a good GM while watching from the booth" crap Hurney is spewing.  

 

I can't believe you have gone you whole life and never learned by watching others so you didn't repeat your mistakes over and over again. 

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I would hope everyone changes and grows over time. That is an essential part of maturing. The changes likely reflect better scouting and input from the team he assembled. He didn't do it in a vacuum.

It’d be nice if it were that simple, but it’s much harder to go from being really really bad at something to good at it, or even competent, without practice or any other real way to train. I hope  he did pull it off. I would really like for Hurney to be a good GM. One seemingly good draft (and solid offseason in general so far) isn’t enough to convince me yet. He was epically bad before. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

It’d be nice if it were that simple, but it’s much harder to go from being really really bad at something to good at it, or even competent, without practice or any other real way to train. I hope  he did pull it off. I would really like for Hurney to be a good GM. One seemingly good draft (and solid offseason in general so far) isn’t enough to convince me yet. He was epically bad before. 

Actually it isn't. I make a living convincing folks that their lifestyle and way of living is causing problems and issues which is why they come to see me. The first is recognizing the problem and admitting your own culpability. Most folks don't change because they blame everyone else and they think that doing more of the same will give them different results. He wasn't epically bad but he did make mistakes and didn't have the right people to advise him. This time he seems to be doing better and listening to those around him. As you said you don't.like him so your opinion is biased and not very objective. But maybe like him you can change for the better as well.

[Moo Daeng]

The real issue here is that there are people who still think Gettleman was something great. We can do better than either of these guys.

[panthers55]

I guess we can all play the shoulda woulda coulda game about Marty, Dave or whoever. I frankly liked the draft and where we are headed offensively and defensively. There will be plenty of time for recriminations down the road but for now I am going to enjoy the ride. I am optimistic that we are going to have a great year and get the monkey off our back by winning back to back seasons.

[Rubi]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I hope he had a good draft, and I hope we have a good season, but it might be that neither one matters.

Fair or not, Marty Hurney is very closely associated with Jerry Richardson. The league wants the stink of Richardson to go away. You can say that doesn't apply to Hurney, but I'd point out two things. 

One, the accuser's letter said that the higher-ups in the building were fully aware of what was going on. Pair that together with Hurney's close loyalty to Richardson and it doesn't look good. Marty has, in fact, publicly stated that he didn't believe anything of that sort was going on. That, in and of itself probably doesn't help his case.

Two, the league already once suggested that the Panthers move on from Marty Hurney. Yes, that came at a time when he was accused of something from which he has since been cleared, but it also came at a time when the investigation was still ongoing. The league didn't care.

There's definitely a possibility that arrangements will be made for the accuser (and the other accusers) to tell their story, and that likely leads to a housecleaning. It's also possible that they might not get to tell their story. Oddly enough, that probably also leads to a housecleaning as a way of getting rid of anybody who might have been in on it.

Either way, not good for Hurney.

Given that Richardson had a racist allegation along with the sexual harassment issues, I wouldn't be surprised if the league nudged the Panthers toward hiring a minority GM. It's possible we could revisit the prior candidates or bring in others. There are definitely quality candidates available.

Bottom Line: It's hard to imagine Marty survives the ownership change. And even if he's not fired immediately, I can't imagine he's got more than one season.

Rivera didn’t do himself any favors with the bullshit they did in the locker room for JR either. 

I honestly can’t wait until Hurney is gone.