DJ Moore - Judge For Yourself

[jumpman910]

 

Just pin this to the first page lol 

[Fox007]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Saca, I hate to sound like a "know it all" because I have experience running routes in college.  Poor route running is really not coaching--well, it could be--but you hit on a key word--confidence.  The confidence Moore has in his QB impacts his route more than coaching--if his experience is like mine.  For example, I played on the third team, the second team, and on a rare occasion, the first team.  If you watch practice film, my routes were slower and less sophisticated with the third team qb.  Maybe this is just me, but the other TEs had the same problem.  I can tell you that when I was in with the 1s, I was sharper--and it was observable.  In addition, we were going against DBs of various talent levels--but for me, I was thinking, "If I run full speed, Billy Bob will never get me the ball before I go out of bounds."  While the coach yells to sprint to the sideline, if you do, the ball doesn't come to you.  I wonder if he was experiencing something similar.  Heck, I  ran a 4.8 with a strong tail wind.  Imagine what a 4.4 guy thinks? 

I know that this is not science, but it is my experience.  fwiw.

I've noticed the same things when I played as well but I never changed myself but heard exactly what you said here from some of the other guys. On go routes for example I've ran so far and the ball never came that even if the QB threw the ball he couldn't make it to me....it gets annoying for sure. 

You also look pretty fugin silly when you're the 1st read on a curl and you run your curl and the ball doesn't come so there is a moment there where you're like wtf....then you have to either keep coming back to the QB or turn it up field either way or even just drag in the direction you curled.

[top dawg]

12 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

How is Moore like Hopkins? They seem to be very different types of players to me. Like nothing at all alike.

 

12 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Can someone explain the Hopkins comp to me? I’m a Hopkins fan and don’t think they’re that similar

Similar in stature, great on the crossing routes, to the point of threatening to take it to the house every time, and great ability to highpoint the ball and win those 50-50 contested catches.

[top dawg]

I'll try and find the link, but here is what one advanced metrics guy had to say:

 

Moore won the combine before he stepped foot on the turf. Listed at 5-foot-11, 215-pounds at Maryland, Moore looked like the next Ty Montgomery – a running back masquerading as college wide receiver. At Indianapolis, however, Moore stood 6-0, 210-pounds, which significantly changed the math on his wide receiver comps. Now, Moore looks strikingly similar to some of the most precocious wide receiver prospects in recent memory, from Amari Cooper to DeAndre Hopkins to Sammy Watkins.

Like Cooper and Hopkins before him, Moore was a college mega-producer at an early age, evidenced by a 53.3-percent College Dominator Rating(97^th-percentile), which factors out quarterback play, and a 18.4 Breakout Age (98^th-percentile). Despite dominating Maryland’s receiving yards and touchdowns, Moore’s raw production was perpetually throttled by lackluster college quarterback play throughout his college career. Consequently, similar to another fast-riser, D.J. Chark, Moore received few, if any, first round grades from mainstream NFL draft analysts prior to his combine arrival.

Full Disclosure: Moore has been No. 1 on PlayerProfiler’s Rookie Rankings all along.

D.J. Moore Advanced Metrics Prospect Profile on PlayerProfiler.com.

How quickly elite athleticism changes perceptions. Moore’s 4.42 40-yard dash time equates to a 111.6 Speed Score (95^th percentile), which add a premium for WR height and weight. Moore also demonstrated exceptional explosiveness, evidenced by a 133.2 Burst Score (94^th-percentile). Factoring in his height, arm length, and a 39.5 vertical jump, Moore’s 10.23 Catch Radius (87^th-percentile) was among the largest ever recorded by a 6-0 receiver. He now enters the draft featuring a prospect profile that checks all of the most important advanced metrics boxes:

• WR1 Size: Check!

• College Dominance: Check!!

• Elite Athleticism: Check!!!

Moore tops the 2018 wide receiver class.

[Panthers8969]

35 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

Similar in stature, great on the crossing routes, to the point of threatening to take it to the house every time, and great ability to highpoint the ball and win those 50-50 contested catches.

Thought one of the knocks on moore was his ability to come down with jump balls/CITs? hopkins also ran a 4.57 and has longer arms. (had to google)

Hopkins, imo is a fantastic possession receiver that has a knack for coming down with the ball, always making sure his feet stay in bounds etc. Pretty good route running too, but yac and speed are kindve meh to me. And thats obviously a huge strength of Moores.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

Thought one of the knocks on moore was his ability to come down with jump balls/CITs? hopkins also ran a 4.57 and has longer arms. (had to google)

Hopkins, imo is a fantastic possession receiver that has a knack for coming down with the ball, always making sure his feet stay in bounds etc. Pretty good route running too, but yac and speed are kindve meh to me. And thats obviously a huge strength of Moores.

I hear you. Yes, Moore seems to have more to work with IMO.

I have read to the contrary about Moore's ability to come down with contested catches, and, honestly, you see him doing exactly that on some vids.  

Overall, you have to remember that Moore's QB play was somewhat of a train wreck. I mean balls were off target and misplaced a good part of the time. That's why I can't cosign the implication of the original post in this thread. Not saying that Moore doesn't have things to work on, but most draftees do. All I am saying is that there are plenty of indicators as to why he was---and should have been---the first receiver taken. The upside was too much to pass up.

[Panthers8969]

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

I hear you. Yes, Moore seems to have more to work with IMO.

I have read to the contrary about Moore's ability to come down with contested catches, and, honestly, you see him doing exactly that on some vids.  

Overall, you have to remember that Moore's QB play was somewhat of a train wreck. I mean balls were off target and misplaced a good part of the time. That's why I can't cosign the implication of the original post in this thread. Not saying that Moore doesn't have things to work on, but most draftees do. All I am saying is that there are plenty of indicators as to why he was---and should have been---the first receiver taken. The upside was too much to pass up.

oh for sure, he was my fav WR as well.