DJ Moore - Judge For Yourself

[weyco2000]

2 hours ago, Yaboychris28 said:

But that was 25+ years ago with a stacked Dallas offense full of hall of famers. Shula couldn’t mess that up

I’m not saying Norv isn’t great but he also couldn’t make a SB with a historically talented offense in San Diego

Just because Norv saw D.J Moore run scripted routes in underwear doesn’t mean he’ll live up to his 1st round label.  I hope Moore does though. . I’m just not 100% sold yet

He knows more than you.

[Panthers8969]

26 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Jarius Wright is what he is. You'd think people would have learned by now. Anyway...

DJ Moore has been likened to a more refined Deandre Hopkins. This is a more accurate comparison. Moreover, layups are a good thing.

Can someone explain the Hopkins comp to me? I’m a Hopkins fan and don’t think they’re that similar

[WOW!!]

3 hours ago, Yaboychris28 said:

People are acting like Norv invented football. What exactly has he won?

2 superbowl as a OC.. And a top 10 offense 3 years in a row in San Diego..

[Moo Daeng]

48 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Jarius Wright is what he is. You'd think people would have learned by now. Anyway...

DJ Moore has been likened to a more refined Deandre Hopkins. This is a more accurate comparison. Moreover, layups are a good thing.

How is Moore like Hopkins? They seem to be very different types of players to me. Like nothing at all alike.

[MHS831]

Saca, I hate to sound like a "know it all" because I have experience running routes in college.  Poor route running is really not coaching--well, it could be--but you hit on a key word--confidence.  The confidence Moore has in his QB impacts his route more than coaching--if his experience is like mine.  For example, I played on the third team, the second team, and on a rare occasion, the first team.  If you watch practice film, my routes were slower and less sophisticated with the third team qb.  Maybe this is just me, but the other TEs had the same problem.  I can tell you that when I was in with the 1s, I was sharper--and it was observable.  In addition, we were going against DBs of various talent levels--but for me, I was thinking, "If I run full speed, Billy Bob will never get me the ball before I go out of bounds."  While the coach yells to sprint to the sideline, if you do, the ball doesn't come to you.  I wonder if he was experiencing something similar.  Heck, I  ran a 4.8 with a strong tail wind.  Imagine what a 4.4 guy thinks? 

I know that this is not science, but it is my experience.  fwiw.

[ItsPantone278]

You watch that vertical stem route video and honestly half the balls are thrown to the wrong spot.  There is one route where he is completely uncovered over the top, has his man beat, and and has his head in the right direction.  Ball is thrown outside the hash and he has to turn back into the coverage and doesn't make the best play on the ball even though it was an easy touchdown.  Another play it was pouring rain against I guess Michigan he makes the grab but can't hold on.  Yes you want to see him make the play but seriously, everyone drops one.  Think Julio Jones or Odell Beckham Jr against us.

Let's see what the guy can do.  No way to really call it either way.  Nice write up by the op tho btw

[JARROD]

Everyone also has to keep in mind that Calvin Ridley is 2 years older than DJ Moore. Route running which has no metric and goes by subjectives is an experience thing.

moores tape shows him catch some really tough contests. He didn’t play on a team like Alabama where the other team had to worry about the best team and coach in college. 

Moore was on a team where he was 37% of their offense, and had more quarterbacks than trump has accusers,...

so he had to fight contested balls, poor throws, be ready for anything every time.

hes younger, thicker and most of his combine measurables like shuttles were better than ridley by a lot. 

Hes got a lot more upside than Ridley so that’s why he was picked. Troy and Steve smith both seemed to agree DJ was rated higher just before DJ was the pick,... I’d say they know,.

 

[Roebling]

4 hours ago, ARSEN said:

Jarius Wright is one of the best slot WRs in the NFL.  He’s unknown due to Diggs and Thilien.  Funchess and Moore will play outside with Smith being 4th WR.

No he's not... Even in his prime, with Norv as his OC, he was not one of the best slots... he's a clutch and reliable dude, but he's not a game changer. 

[SmartyHurney]

This coming from the guy that hyped Russel Sheppard up.

[Panthers8969]

1 hour ago, SmartyHurney said:

This coming from the guy that hyped Russel Sheppard up.

Lmao nice username 

[London Loves Luke]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Saca, I hate to sound like a "know it all" because I have experience running routes in college.  Poor route running is really not coaching--well, it could be--but you hit on a key word--confidence.  The confidence Moore has in his QB impacts his route more than coaching--if his experience is like mine.  For example, I played on the third team, the second team, and on a rare occasion, the first team.  If you watch practice film, my routes were slower and less sophisticated with the third team qb.  Maybe this is just me, but the other TEs had the same problem.  I can tell you that when I was in with the 1s, I was sharper--and it was observable.  In addition, we were going against DBs of various talent levels--but for me, I was thinking, "If I run full speed, Billy Bob will never get me the ball before I go out of bounds."  While the coach yells to sprint to the sideline, if you do, the ball doesn't come to you.  I wonder if he was experiencing something similar.  Heck, I  ran a 4.8 with a strong tail wind.  Imagine what a 4.4 guy thinks? 

I know that this is not science, but it is my experience.  fwiw.

There’s definitely some impact on how quickly you run a route when you don’t trust a QB. But I wouldn’t put that down as DJs biggest problem. If you break down a simple in-route from the draft, his body position gives everything away to the CB and that will be massively exploited in the NFL.

Running pro routes is all about deception, and this is where he hasn’t been coached correctly. An example of his in-route at the combine.

1.He starts his routes low and in a good acceleration position

2. He is upright way too soon (1-2 seconds) before his cut. Watch Antonio Brown and he’ll be at 80% and still in a crouched sprinting position when he cuts inside. That body position makes it impossible for a dB to jump the break.

3. He’s still got a lot of work to do to sell the direction of the cut. Even if he stutters his hips are pointing in the direction he’s gonna go. He’s got enough suddenness to not have to do that.

4. On his in route he breaks slightly upfield when he should go back towards the ball.

2,3 and 4 will get exploited by NFL CBs all day, they’ll figure out very quickly when he’s gonna break, which direction, and how far upfield, which is interception food for a good CB.

Absolutely not saying he can’t fix this stuff with coaching, but I think people are overreacting to Steve smiths comment about how he can run every route. I can run every route, I just can’t convince an NFL dB to get separation.

[TheSpecialJuan]

 

[RumHam]

15 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

I see Michigan State getting away with pass interference and a sh1tty Maryland OL allowing their QB too get hit on every play. 

So what you're saying is he's going to fit in as a Panther right?

[RumHam]

I still see Ridley as the sure thing and DJ Moore as a project with potential, with sums up every Hurney draft. You can't coach drops. That video, however being mauled and in the rain, wasn't impressive. He looked lost on deep balls.