Panthers Trade Pick #88 For Pick #101 and #147

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, Mage said:

How in the world are people managing to complain about this trade?  We only dropped 13 spots and got an extra pick. 

I mean seriously. 

I'm very surprised at the negativity regarding this trade back. Hurney managed to replace and improve the 4th rounder Gettleman gave away for Andy Lee. We also added a high 5th round pick that might turn into a Derek Anderson replacement or Greg Olsen's backup.  

[TylerVagyler]

1 minute ago, MtnProwler said:

I can honestly say I wanted to trade up for Daniels, Hernandez, JJackson, or Chubb, not Harrison. Yes, Hernandez from UTEP. And I'm still not on board with the last two picks collectively. That might surprise you.

And I’m not saying you can’t be disappointed or skeptical. I’m more talking about the people in here overreacting, bashing Hurney, and saying these guys suck. 

[MtnProwler]

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I'm very surprised at the negativity regarding this trade back. Hurney managed to replace and improve the 4th rounder Gettleman gave away for Andy Lee. We also added a high 5th round pick that might turn into a Derek Anderson replacement or Greg Olsen's backup.  

The weighted value that someone previously posted showed it wasn't a fair trade between the picks. Take those numbers for what they are, but it does add some objectivity to it.

[Salisburysean98]

Some of you sound like Mel Kiper when he was talking about Trent Dilfer being a franchise quarterback when he came out in the draft. Lol! Nobody on this board is a scout all we can do is hope the picks actually pan out, some of you  instead are bashing Hurney relentlessly. Btw I'm also a huge Hurney critic and I was a big Dave Gettleman fan. It's difficult to say exactly what was going on behind closed doors during Dave's tenure here.

On one hand many people blame him for not getting Cam any help but one has to ask the question of; if having Jerry part of the process, and war room was the reasoning for the Panthers habitually ignoring the fact that Cam needed help and Jerry simply just put his big balls on the table so to speak and said no to any receivers or Offensive linemen. 

Before the draft Carolina needed WR,DE,OL,CB,S. We now have a Safety, we are logjammed at CB and WR depth, something that's never happened under Dave. So let's relax and see what happens during the rest of the draft, 2018 Season, and beyond. I understand the disappointment of not getting Ronnie Harrison or Justin Reid but guess what? The other teams that picked before they were drafted didn't think it was worth it to take them anyways. 

Also what about New England? Nobody has talked about their draft picks besides the first round Tackle. What about them? Who the hell are those guys? Nobody fugging knows poo right now.

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 minutes ago, MtnProwler said:

The weighted value that someone previously posted showed it wasn't a fair trade between the picks. Take those numbers for what they are, but it does add some objectivity to it.

Why are you so upset by that?  It's a 3rd round pick not a 1st. We got what we wanted, more picks and Packers got their LB. 

[Nails]

8 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Some of you sound like Mel Kiper when he was talking about Trent Dilfer being a franchise quarterback when he came out in the draft. Lol! Nobody on this board is a scout all we can do is hope the picks actually pan out, some of you  instead are bashing Hurney relentlessly. Btw I'm also a huge Hurney critic and I was a big Dave Gettleman fan. It's difficult to say exactly what was going on behind closed doors during Dave's tenure here.

On one hand many people blame him for not getting Cam any help but one has to ask the question of; if having Jerry part of the process, and war room was the reasoning for the Panthers habitually ignoring the fact that Cam needed help and Jerry simply just put his big balls on the table so to speak and said no to any receivers or Offensive linemen. 

Before the draft Carolina needed WR,DE,OL,CB,S. We now have a Safety, we are logjammed at CB and WR depth, something that's never happened under Dave. So let's relax and see what happens during the rest of the draft, 2018 Season, and beyond. I understand the disappointment of not getting Ronnie Harrison or Justin Reid but guess what? The other teams that picked before they were drafted didn't think it was worth it to take them anyways. 

Also what about New England? Nobody has talked about their draft picks besides the first round Tackle. What about them? Who the hell are those guys? Nobody fugging knows poo right now.

Because unlike those 31 other franchises, this one has been in safety purgatory forever.

[MtnProwler]

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Why are you so upset by that?  It's a 3rd round pick not a 1st. We got what we wanted, more picks and Packers got their LB. 

1) Later picks statistically and increasingly become less likely to produce.

2) Hurney was quoted as saying 2-3 rounds is where the meat is. I agree.

3) The biggest reason, probably, had a hang over from the previous two picks.

Still some decent talent left but it's slim.

[TheSpecialJuan]

10 minutes ago, MtnProwler said:

1) Later picks statistically and increasingly become less likely to produce.

2) Hurney was quoted as saying 2-3 rounds is where the meat is. I agree.

3) The biggest reason, probably, had a hang over from the previous two picks.

Still some decent talent left but it's slim.

I suggest you get over it 

[Gin and Juice]

2 hours ago, bobcat91 said:

Love all the clerks at 7/11 making complaints about the moves. They must give Madden Football hell.

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

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Love the people up in arms about trading back. When your board is picked thin …

7:19 PM - 27 Apr 2018

[TheSpecialJuan]

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Would imagine CAR’s board is picked cleaned of third-round grades (don’t know why Harrison isn’t an option). So pick up a fourth and fifth? Ok.

7:24 PM - 27 Apr 2018

[Toker Smurf]

Not a fan of Hurney or yesterday's picks but I'm okay with the trade back, even if we lost a few points. The value of the 5th year option is always brought up but there's also value in having more guys on rookie deals. The issue is that you have to make the right picks. At least we have an extra chance at finding a diamond in the rough.

[FakePlasticTrees]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It says Hurney got fleeced.

#88 = 150 points

#101 (96) + #147 (33) = 129 points

We gave up the equivalent of a mid-6th rounder in this trade.

Didn't the Panthers receive another pick? I think you forgot to calculate the points for that pick. I never hear clearly what that pick was, but I think it is an early 5th round pick which is much better than the mid 6th compensation that you reference.

[MtnProwler]

5 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

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Would imagine CAR’s board is picked cleaned of third-round grades (don’t know why Harrison isn’t an option). So pick up a fourth and fifth? Ok.

7:24 PM - 27 Apr 2018

I feel that this is reaction. If you are only going to pick 2 in rounds 2-3, why not trade up in the meat of the draft? Maybe we tried.