What's up with Moton

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

Rivera is paid to win games.  If he thinks Amini is better suited for our LG replacement right now, that's probably because Amini actually IS better suited for our LG replacement. 

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

 

 

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

His pre-draft  analysis

Panthers always want their linemen to be versatile. 

I said he could play guard. It's also why he's part of the competition. 

Panther coaches made both tackle spots be his focus. 

It is what it is. 

 

[RumHam]

Silatolu sucks, may be the worst Panther in history and shouldn't be on this team. #HurneyMagic #westilldraftingaguard

[Seoul_Panther]

I think OP asks a fair question about Moton. It may seem like a pointless exercise to guess RRs plans for him but the over reaction to a simple question about a 2nd round pick’s future is ridiculous in this thread.

  The truth is we don’t know. The reason it bothers me a little is because we spent a high pick on him and sometimes it is hard to figure out why when he can’t get a start in front of a useless lump like Silotolu.

  Since we’re now so close to draft day regardless of the choice I just hope they draft players to play not as depth pieces until the later rounds.

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I was fine with us drafting him and not starting.  He WAS drafted for depth and an insurance policy if we lost Norwell.

I agree he is smart but most I have read barely mentions him.

Moton is a good player and glad we have him.   It was a question not a statement.  

You guys would rather post 15,000 mock drafts and discuss nothing else.   I thought Moton would be an interesting topic especially since I believe he could play LT.

 

I think from what I have read and heard that they like Moton at tackle more than guard. They like his balance, foot speed and athleticism. He may be like Wharton was who could play guard and tackle but wouldn't be surprised if he takes Kalil's left tackle spot if Matt struggles. I think we draft a G/C in the first 3 rounds given Ryan is retiring. Might not have any Kalils after this season.

[Seoul_Panther]

42 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I think we draft a G/C in the first 3 rounds given Ryan is retiring. Might not have any Kalils after this season.

Except that everything they say and do says otherwise. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t MKalil’s restructure make him basically uncuttable until after 2019? He hasn’t been used as LT or RT but has seen some usage in the jumbo package on the interior. 

  On the long Stewart TD vs Vikings he was the extra man allowing Norwell to make the key block to spring the play.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Rivera is better at identifying NFL talent than anyone who frequents this board.  The guy's headed into his 8th season in a profession where the average career length is 3.3 years.  Somehow he's kept his job despite having the worst GM and second worst GM in football every year (according to my Huddle sources), and an Owner who's such a distraction that no one wants to play in Charlotte (again, according to my Huddle sources).  He's won COTY year twice and brought a team to the Super Bowl.  

If he thinks Amini is better than Moton right now, and you don't, then you should probably re-evaluate how you grade players.  

Of course, I say all that but he probably thought Russell Shepard was ready to be a starting Wide Receiver and a Ted Ginn replacement last year, so maybe there are some gaps in his skill set after all.

If Rivera thinks Amini is a better option he is a DAMN IDIOT PERIOD. You are giving him way to much credit as a evaluator, because thats one of his worst traits. Rivera knows how to get guys to play hard for him even under bad circumstances. That has more to do with his success and achievements than his analytical skills. 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

3 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Rivera is better at identifying NFL talent than anyone who frequents this board.  The guy's headed into his 8th season in a profession where the average career length is 3.3 years.  Somehow he's kept his job despite having the worst GM and second worst GM in football every year (according to my Huddle sources), and an Owner who's such a distraction that no one wants to play in Charlotte (again, according to my Huddle sources).  He's won COTY year twice and brought a team to the Super Bowl.  

If he thinks Amini is better than Moton right now, and you don't, then you should probably re-evaluate how you grade players.  

Of course, I say all that but he probably thought Russell Shepard was ready to be a starting Wide Receiver and a Ted Ginn replacement last year, so maybe there are some gaps in his skill set after all.

Have fun with this assumption which is 100% wrong by the way. Amini is not shouldn't even be a starter but a back-up or not play at all.

[Cyberjag]

10 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

Have fun with this assumption which is 100% wrong by the way. Amini is not shouldn't even be a starter but a back-up or not play at all.

And which NFL team has given you a job, or even an internship in the scouting department?  

[Mother Grabber]

7 hours ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Ron Rivera said he would compete for LG.

Stop trying to spread fake opinions.

 

what the hell is a fake opinion? :D

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Except that everything they say and do says otherwise. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t MKalil’s restructure make him basically uncuttable until after 2019? He hasn’t been used as LT or RT but has seen some usage in the jumbo package on the interior. 

  On the long Stewart TD vs Vikings he was the extra man allowing Norwell to make the key block to spring the play.

Cutting Kalil after this year would result in 14.7 dead vs. paying him 12.9.  I he is truly worthless, as some on here maintain, then there is no real difference between the options.

The dead cap can be spread over 2 years.

Or I think we could trade him to a team with tons of cap room.  We'd probably have to throw in a 3rd or something to get someone interested.  I think that's how the Texans got rid of Osweiler's cap hit..

[Panthers8969]

why i don't want a G in the first. Draft another in the 3rd

[Cyberjag]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Did you watch him come in at Guard last year? I can’t remember if it was Turner or Norwell but Amini got destroyed on multiple plays. I also watched Moton on jumbo packages like Stewart’s 60 yard TD against Minnesota, which required a giant hole. Moton was a solid run blocker every time. If we start Amini and leave Moton on the bench we’re stupid. He shouldn’t be starting, ever.

So you think you are a better judge of who should start than Rivera?

I don't know why the hell Amini is got the reps he did over Moton, but I'm sure there's a better reason than "RR loves his vets!"  Maybe he knew the plays and did what he was supposed to, while Moton looked good blocking someone when he should have been pulling.  Who knows?  I don't, but I do know that if Moton was not beating out Silatolu, there's a reason and we don't always get to know.

It's all academic once TC starts anyway.  The LG position will go to the player who wins it, and we all doubt it will be Amini.  But for now, he's there on the depth chart.

[MHS831]

9 hours ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Ron Rivera said he would compete for LG.

Stop trying to spread fake opinions.

 

He has a fake username--what did you expect?

The fact is, Rivera went public about drafting Silatolu, claiming to fetch Marty after seeing Amini throwing people around at Happy Pony Valley Tech Community College and thought he was a gem.  Marty, being his own man, made Amini a second rounder.

Saving face, I suppose, but in fairness, Amini sucked majorly at RG. He simply sucks at LG. 

I think Rivera wants Moton to beat out Kalil at LT, something that is unlikely to happen if he is at LG.  Personally, I do not see Moton as LT material, and I would strongly suggest that RR gives up in the area of OL evaluation.  He even once stated that they nearly cut Norwell when he was a rookie because he sucked in one-on-one drills.

 

Ron Rivera, this is MHS.  Leave the OL talent evaluation to the OL coaches.  You take credit for your stable full of first round linebackers.   Love, MHS