How would you feel if we draft a WR , RB, or TE with pick 24?

[WOW!!]

Just now, iamhubby1 said:

 

    But that's the rub. You cannot get a "WR with the same impact and development time later". But you can get a CB that does.

 

    IMO, there are only 2, maybe 3 WRs in this class that could make an impact. But there are literally 100s of CBs that could.

 

   

I don't know about that..

Let's just say agree to disagree..

Other than Ridely I don't see a day 1 starter at WR in this draft..  

I love Moore potential but I don't think he can beat out Smith or Wright this year...

But I see at least 6 CBs and 5 safeties who can start day 1.. 

Like I said if you're not getting starters with your 1st 2 picks you fail...

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I disagree..

Any of the 1st round CB can beat out Cockrell.. And since we really don't have a FS on the roster (Adam's and Searcy are SS) that person can come in day one and start...

If you're not getting trying to get day 1 starters with your 1st and 2nd round pick... Especially when you have as many needs as us... You failed...

 

    There have been quite a few top shelf CBs lately that have had a difficult time adjusting to the NFL. I am not sure you are right that a top CB this year is just going to start. The top WRs have just as good of a chance as a CB.

 

    As many holes as folks claim we have, there are precious few rookies who are going to come in and start day 1. Safety may be the only position that may be true for.

 

    A rookie can have a very good year without having to start. A WR who can contribute, and challenge others is a good grab. A CB that can contribute, and challenge others is a good get as well.

 

    All you can ask of a rookie is to work hard, improve throughout the year, and play within the system.

[WOW!!]

9 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    There have been quite a few top shelf CBs lately that have had a difficult time adjusting to the NFL. I am not sure you are right that a top CB this year is just going to start. The top WRs have just as good of a chance as a CB.

 

    As many holes as folks claim we have, there are precious few rookies who are going to come in and start day 1. Safety may be the only position that may be true for.

 

    A rookie can have a very good year without having to start. A WR who can contribute, and challenge others is a good grab. A CB that can contribute, and challenge others is a good get as well.

 

    All you can ask of a rookie is to work hard, improve throughout the year, and play within the system.

Agree to disagree.. 

The top CB's in this draft are better than Cockrell day 1 imo...

The top WR in this draft may not be better than Smith and Wright who have played and produced for Norv and know his system...Jmo

I know you're trying to make it the same but IMO it's not .. I don't think the transition of the position is the same for WR and CB.. (WR is a harder transition from college to pros)... I don't think the situation is the same.. We have better WR than CB on the roster...

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I don't know about that..

Let's just say agree to disagree..

Other than Ridely I don't see a day 1 starter at WR in this draft..  

I love Moore potential but I don't think he can beat out Smith or Wright this year...

But I see at least 6 CBs and 5 safeties who can start day 1.. 

Like I said if you're not getting starters with your 1st 2 picks you fail...

 

    We have 4 picks in the top 100. If our 1st 2 rounders play well and contribute, and our last 2 make the team and contribute, that is a good draft.

 

    What about this scenario? You go CB in the 1st, and S in the 2nd. What do you do in the 3rd? Also, you have to be happy with not getting a quality WR, so the draft is WR less . So basically, you are only getting 2 solid picks. Unless you want to double dip at CB, which seems like overkill to me.

 

    Whereas, if you go WR in the 1st. You can still go CB in the 2nd, and get a really good one. And still have a chance at getting a solid S in the 3rd. That is 3 solid picks.

[LinvilleGorge]

If Harold Landry is on the board, I'm taking him. Period. Our defensive scheme is heavily reliant on creating a dominant pass rush from our front four and our starting DEs are both on the wrong side of 30.

Assuming Landry is gone, if Ridley or Moore is on the board, I'm taking him. Every year we bitch and moan about our WRs and for good reason. 

Assuming Ridley and Moore are gone, I'm taking the top CB on our board. Ward will be gone by #24 but he very well may be the only CB off the board at that point. My personal preference would be Josh Jackson, but I could be talked into Hughes, Alexander, Davis, or Oliver at #24. I think there's going to be a run on DBs in the late 1st/early 2nd. I could see 4-5 CBs and another 3-4 safeties all go in that range. The same could be true for WRs. It would be easy to see 4-5 WRs go in that range as well.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    We have 4 picks in the top 100. If our 1st 2 rounders play well and contribute, and our last 2 make the team and contribute, that is a good draft.

 

    What about this scenario? You go CB in the 1st, and S in the 2nd. What do you do in the 3rd? Also, you have to be happy with not getting a quality WR, so the draft is WR less . So basically, you are only getting 2 solid picks. Unless you want to double dip at CB, which seems like overkill to me.

 

    Whereas, if you go WR in the 1st. You can still go CB in the 2nd, and get a really good one. And still have a chance at getting a solid S in the 3rd. That is 3 solid picks.

I agree if that happens .. Jmo the contribution is more if we get a starting CB and Safety.. Than a 4th WR this year...

If we go secondary the 1st 2 picks I would go TE and Development Pass Rusher or RB in the 3rd.. WR or RB in the 5th ...

So out of the next picks in the 3rd we would get a backup TE and either a RB or Backup DE ... So you still get contributors and 2 starters with your 1st 4 picks.. 

[Trill OG]

53 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    IF, you want a WR in this draft to come in a challenge for playing time. You had better take him early. Because, IMO, there are only 2, maybe 3 WR worth a 1st round grade. Now if you want one to develop, one you think has "It", and you can get him in the 5th? Then have at it. But in this draft, it is either early, or not at all for me.

 

    CB, and S? 2nd, and 3rd round can get you some really good talent. We can defiantly upgrade our back end within those two rounds.

 

    Again, to me, it all comes down to preference, and team evaluation at #24. Hellz bellz, for that matter every draft pick should be made with an eye towards BPA, and team evaluation. Revolutionary thought right?

I agree. If Ridley or Moore are not on the board when we pick, I think we should draft a secondary player at 24. Though I would try to get a WR in rounds 3 if St.Brown is still on the board.

[iamhubby1]

Just now, WOW!! said:

I agree if that happens .. Jmo the contribution is more if we get a starting CB and Safety.. Than a 4th WR this year...

If we go secondary the 1st 2 picks I would go TE and Development Pass Rusher or RB in the 3rd.. WR or RB in the 5th ...

So out of the next picks in the 3rd we would get a backup TE and either a RB or Backup DE ... So you still get contributors and 2 starters with your 1st 4 picks.. 

 

    As a whole, I agree with you. I believe our 1st 2 picks will be on the Defensive side. CB, then S and I'm good. 3rd round still has some talent, so I wouldn't overlook the opportunity to add to the haul.

 

    IMO, the 3rd round is where you get most of your pleasant surprises. Trust your scouting dept., and get that BPA. With luck, we get 2 kids that can contribute right away. And 2 kids that have a shot at contributing. Or at least that is my fervent hope. 4 kids with talent that can make us better.

 

    I just think this is a year Norv uses to evaluate this Offense. To see if the kids CAN contribute, or not. Do Smith, and Wright pan out? What can he do with CmC, and CAP? Lots to evaluate this year. So let's just help that Defense some. And I can live with that.

[iamhubby1]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If Harold Landry is on the board, I'm taking him. Period. Our defensive scheme is heavily reliant on creating a dominant pass rush from our front four and our starting DEs are both on the wrong side of 30.

Assuming Landry is gone, if Ridley or Moore is on the board, I'm taking him. Every year we bitch and moan about our WRs and for good reason. 

Assuming Ridley and Moore are gone, I'm taking the top CB on our board. Ward will be gone by #24 but he very well may be the only CB off the board at that point. My personal preference would be Josh Jackson, but I could be talked into Hughes, Alexander, Davis, or Oliver at #24. I think there's going to be a run on DBs in the late 1st/early 2nd. I could see 4-5 CBs and another 3-4 safeties all go in that range. The same could be true for WRs. It would be easy to see 4-5 WRs go in that range as well.

 

    Pretty much right out of my mind. If Ridley, and Moore are both gone, I could see us going Defense big time. I just never thought we could get one of those top DEs. Landry, and Chubb, with maybe Davenport, but he scares me. I just don't see it.

 

    I really can see us going CB, then S in the 1st 2. Maybe throw a 3rd at a TE. But as a whole. I can really see an almost entirely Defensive draft.

 

    Let Norv work with the Offense, and draft Defense. Or not.
 

[iamhubby1]

12 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

I agree. If Ridley or Moore are not on the board when we pick, I think we should draft a secondary player at 24. Though I would try to get a WR in rounds 3 if St.Brown is still on the board.

 

    I could see them going for some sort of pass catcher in the 3rd. Whether it be a WR, or a TE, throw some talent at the Offense and see if it sticks.

 

    In all seriousness though. I do believe we want to go Offense in the draft. I just have a feeling that they have a limited list of kids they are willing to go after. If he is there, we may go O. If not, we may go Defense heavy this year.

[poorboysrev]

9 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Ridely is frail and while being a great route runner he has drop problems..  He might not have the strength to beat press coverage right away.. 

Moore who I love still has a lofty transition period and doesn't fully run the full route tree yet.. Imo he isn't a day one starter and will take time beating out Smith and Wright for playing time..  

Plus if they were great prospects without ? we wouldn't have a chance at 24 getting them with all the WR needy teams (Dallas, Bmore) in front of us... That should make you pause a little...

I think all the TE in this draft are 2nd round prospects.. You should be able to get 1 of the top 5 in the 3rd... They all are around the same prospect..

DB we need day one starters.. And the more time you wait the less likely you get one who is a sure fire day one starter..

My philosophy is we are closer to a top 5 defense than offense.. No matter what you draft this year .. You will still have a problem at LT and a okay WR core... If we go defense 1st we can have a solid secondary to go with a really good front 7...

 

So you're 100% positive a rookie wr won't be able to beat out Torrey smith or wright for playing time but a rookie corner is going to beat out Bradbury and cockrell? Don't get me wrong I won't be upset if we take a cb or safety high(especially safety which we always neglect) , but norv spent a lot of time with Moore and he knows the type of guys he needs to make his offense work so if we take him I feel good about it. I don't really care what the "experts" say about draft class grades...cause I've heard a class of  tackles  be called the best in years and almost all of them in hindsight were reaches...fact is scheme and fit play a huge part in this and picking at 24 you're not guaranteed anything. I'm just tired of cam throwing to a bunch of 3s and 4s and journeyman...dudes in his prime and we've given him some of the worst weapons in the league. We will only go as far as he takes us, so help the man out

[top dawg]

8 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Agree to disagree.. 

The top CB's in this draft are better than Cockrell day 1 imo...

The top WR in this draft may not be better than Smith and Wright who have played and produced for Norv and know his system...Jmo

I know you're trying to make it the same but IMO it's not .. I don't think the transition of the position is the same for WR and CB.. (WR is a harder transition from college to pros)... I don't think the situation is the same.. We have better WR than CB on the roster...

There are probably at least four WR draft prospects---if not double that---who will outright beat out Jarius Wright for a job with the quickness.

I don't really understand why every year I have to explain to a fair amount of the Huddle about why you can't expect a career backup receiver that has been in the league for at least five years to uncharacteristically become reliable, much less a significant piece of an NFL roster. Just like last year with Shep, Wright has had opportunities to seize the bull by the horns and entrench his role with the his old team by playing significant minutes due to someone's injury. He got outplayed and was no more than the 5th receiver on the team. The likes of Treadwell and Patterson were more valuable to the Vikings. He is JAG! Hopefully better than Shepard, but JAG all the same. Smith is seasoned, but didn't exactly tear it up on his last couple of teams. He could get a boon with Cam, or become even more of a ghost. Do you really want to rely on these two? My answer: Hell no!

Cockrell and Searcy aren't dog meat. I could argue that even in limited time, the two of them have certainly done more than our free agent pickups at receiver. Cockrell might be the best of the four. And, BTW, it's not too hard to imagine that Cockrell and Searcy will prosper behind our D-line. Both have shown some ball-hawk abilities in the past.

[WOW!!]

4 hours ago, poorboysrev said:

So you're 100% positive a rookie wr won't be able to beat out Torrey smith or wright for playing time but a rookie corner is going to beat out Bradbury and cockrell? Don't get me wrong I won't be upset if we take a cb or safety high(especially safety which we always neglect) , but norv spent a lot of time with Moore and he knows the type of guys he needs to make his offense work so if we take him I feel good about it. I don't really care what the "experts" say about draft class grades...cause I've heard a class of  tackles  be called the best in years and almost all of them in hindsight were reaches...fact is scheme and fit play a huge part in this and picking at 24 you're not guaranteed anything. I'm just tired of cam throwing to a bunch of 3s and 4s and journeyman...dudes in his prime and we've given him some of the worst weapons in the league. We will only go as far as he takes us, so help the man out

Nothing is 100% positive.. But my opinion is Cockrell and Sercey are jags and this CB and Safety draft is one of the best in a couple years. Neither have played in Rivera system before so them and a rookie (again who is younger, faster) are starting at a closer point in learning the system.. Making Cockrell and Sercey easier to beat for playing time.. While at WR we have Samuels a highly ranked prospect himself just a year ago.. Plus Smith and Wright have played in and produced in Norv system.. While this rookie WR draft not being as good as recent years (lacking top 10 talent) is filled with potential players and not instant day 1 starters.. Imo other than Ridely all the rest will have a problem beating out guys who know the system and have specific roles day 1...

Again this is Jmo and nothing is 100% positive.. But you can read how the landscape is shaping out.. Remember what happen in FA and look at how the fact we can even be in Ridely range (top wr on this draft) should make you think... We aren't getting the top CB or Safety in this draft.. Not even close.. That should say something...

[WOW!!]

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

There are probably at least four WR draft prospects---if not double that---who will outright beat out Jarius Wright for a job with the quickness.

I don't really understand why every year I have to explain to a fair amount of the Huddle about why you can't expect a career backup receiver that has been in the league for at least five years to uncharacteristically become reliable, much less a significant piece of an NFL roster. Just like last year with Shep, Wright has had opportunities to seize the bull by the horns and entrench his role with the his old team by playing significant minutes due to someone's injury. He got outplayed and was no more than the 5th receiver on the team. The likes of Treadwell and Patterson were more valuable to the Vikings. He is JAG! Hopefully better than Shepard, but JAG all the same. Smith is seasoned, but didn't exactly tear it up on his last couple of teams. He could get a boon with Cam, or become even more of a ghost. Do you really want to rely on these two? My answer: Hell no!

Cockrell and Searcy aren't dog meat. I could argue that even in limited time, the two of them have certainly done more than our free agent pickups at receiver. Cockrell might be the best of the four. And, BTW, it's not too hard to imagine that Cockrell and Searcy will prosper behind our D-line. Both have shown some ball-hawk abilities in the past.

Thats Your opinion.. cool... 

Cockrell and Sercey are Jags.. Who have never produced or played in Rivera system... At least Smith and Wright have played and produced in Norv system... 

Reality check Wright and Smith were hand picked as Norv guys who he already knows and has specific roles for them.. In his system..

Cockrell and Sercey are insurance and depht signings just in case we don't and can't get better players.. Cockrell wouldn't even be here if Breeland hadn't screwed up... They took cheap deals with no promise of making the roster..

Instead of trying to explain your opinion on a player you might want to research context and situation.. It should be easy to see the 2 WR we brought in were handpicked by Norv.. While the secondary players were depth cheap signings...