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AggieLean

By AggieLean,
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebrons-finals-record-isnt-really-a-disappointment/?ex_cid=Weekly3

 

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In fact, LeBron never played for a team that entered the finals with more than a 2-in-3 chance of winning, according to ESPN’s BPI, and he had less than a 33 percent chance to win in three of his finals losses – with the Cleveland Cavaliers against the Spurs in 2007 and the Warriors in 2015, and with the Miami Heat against the Spurs in 2014. And in a few of those six seasons, it was a minor miracle that LeBron’s teams made the finals at all given the relative weakness of his supporting cast and team’s odds of advancing throughout the playoffs.

 

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By that measure, LeBron’s teams have already made about 2.5 more finals appearances than would be expected given their pre-playoff BPI chances in 11 playoff appearances. But understandably, few are eager to praise one of the greatest players of all time for simply making the finals.

 

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Unlike Jordan, who entered the finals with at least a 65 percent chance to win four times, LeBron rarely played for a team that was a prohibitive finals favorite. Meanwhile, he is now about to enter his fifth Finals as an underdog, at least using Elo, something Jordan faced once in his career — when the Bulls had a 46 percent chance to beat the Jazz in 1998. When the Cavs lost last year’s finals with an injury-depleted roster, LeBron had one of the greatest statistical series by a player in NBA history. Not only was he the first player to lead both teams in points, rebounds and assists per game in an NBA Finals, but he nearly single-handedly won Games 2 and 3 for the Cavs.

 

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2 hours ago, djp14 said:

The Heat were a 73-win team before LeBron showed up?

Never been a fan of this retort because it ignores the fact that Bosh was coming too.  People seem to forget that he was arguably a top 5 player in the league at the time.  Hell, the three of them ranked 1, 2, and 4 in PER the season before.

Neither situation is the same, but both of them were looking to chase rings by building a super team.  While I was not a fan of how Lebron handled the announcement, I personally do not fault either for making the choice they made.  We all should do what we believe is best for ourselves and our family, not what is best for a bunch of people we are never gong to meet.  If someone wants to be upset with both of them, I disagree but at least they are consistent.  The arguments making one out to be worse than the other make no sense to me.

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3 hours ago, Goondal said:

Never been a fan of this retort because it ignores the fact that Bosh was coming too.  People seem to forget that he was arguably a top 5 player in the league at the time.  Hell, the three of them ranked 1, 2, and 4 in PER the season before.

Neither situation is the same, but both of them were looking to chase rings by building a super team.  While I was not a fan of how Lebron handled the announcement, I personally do not fault either for making the choice they made.  We all should do what we believe is best for ourselves and our family, not what is best for a bunch of people we are never gong to meet.  If someone wants to be upset with both of them, I disagree but at least they are consistent.  The arguments making one out to be worse than the other make no sense to me.

Yeah, he's the first to ring chase in his prime. 

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3 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

im not surprised you reject statistic based arguments as all you've done over the past 10 pages is bitch about LeBron. did he fug your wife or something?

Here's some facts for ya kid. Jordan was favored and WON those SERIES because he's the fuging GOAT. LeBron was favored and lost to the fuging Mavericks for fugs sake. 3 HOF's destroyed by 1 HOF and Jason fuging Terry. I don't want to hear it, because in the end, it's a bunch of excuses. And I am sick and tired of hearing it for this clown. "OH HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH HELP. OH WHINE, CRY, HE'S A BITCH PANSY. OHHHHHHHHH, SOME MORE WHINING." No one feels bad for this dude. He started this stupid joining up poo, and now he has to lay in it and lose to Durant and the Warriors. 

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1 minute ago, JakeDel5674 said:

Here's some facts for ya kid. Jordan was favored and WON those SERIES because he's the fuging GOAT. LeBron was favored and lost to the fuging Mavericks for fugs sake. 3 HOF's destroyed by 1 HOF and Jason fuging Terry. I don't want to hear it, because in the end, it's a bunch of excuses. And I am sick and tired of hearing it for this clown. "OH HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH HELP. OH WHINE, CRY, HE'S A BITCH PANSY. OHHHHHHHHH, SOME MORE WHINING." No one feels bad for this dude. He started this stupid joining up poo, and now he has to lay in it and lose to Durant and the Warriors. 

You can't even get that right moron. 2008 Celtics are the original super team.

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