Who are our star players after this year.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

We are dangerously close to being an awful team. We had better win it all this year or absolutely kill this draft. 

A bad draft here and the loss of the players the op mentioned could lead us down a non competitive path for a couple years. 

I completely agree. That is why this offseason and draft is very critical, IMO. If you look at pur projected losses over the next two seasons, it is likely to be a very different looking team. We have to do well or we are going to shift from retooling to rebuilding. 

[CarolinaSamurai]

Shaq, Funch, Butler, have all had YEARS to develope into great players. None of them have been great. I'm not holding my breath for them to figure out out.

[mc52beast]

One thing is pretty much a lock;

We won’t have a team captain on this squad with the last name Kalil

[pantherclaw]

19 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Funchess could be gone after next season, and Curtis Samuel can NOT stay healthy thus far. CMC was decent but not great by any  means.. that leaves us with?? We dont have any offensive stars at the skill positions and thats part of our ongoing problem weve had since Cam has been here.

Arguably the best "star" player we had since 2011 is still an aging Steve Smith. Granted, this man should end up being a HoFer , but that is still a sad fact when you think about it. Who else has really shone brightly and consistently? KB was solid, Funchess was solid this season, Ginn was important but had his dropsies, Stew was important but I wouldve never considered him a transcendent talent. 

This is excatly what Cam has been missing his entire career and hes proabably absolutely sick of it. If you gave Cam Antonio Brown, Martvis Bryant, and JuJu smith Shuster for example, we'd be fuging unstoppable. Hell any 1 of those guys could totally change things. Or can you imagine if Cam got Odell instead of KB? 

I love your extreme negativity, it's no wonder you're freaking out. 

[pantherclaw]

Can't agree with the negativity, teams constantly change, and this will be no different. 

The sky isn't falling.

[thefuzz]

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the book is out on Gettleman. We will see in the next 3-4 years. It is tracking towards him being pretty sub par as a draft talent evaluator and better than average in the dumpster diving. 

He did great by digging us out of cap hell(Thanks Hurney 1.0) but he also saddled us with arguably the worst contract we have ever given out with the Matt Kalil deal. 

He build the DL up fairly well but never addressed LT effectively and was hit or miss with improving the WR corps. 

I personally am very glad he is gone because the day we signed Kalil, I viewed that as a fireable offense.

You don't have a very strong grasp on the history of the Panthers, and bad contracts.

Also, could you have predicted Oher's career altering concussion?  I thought DG did a pretty good job on LT until that happened, then we scrambled, and it looks like it's not going to work out.

[Jangler]

well I don't know, but Air Funchess is funny.

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

You don't have a very strong grasp on the history of the Panthers, and bad contracts.

Also, could you have predicted Oher's career altering concussion?  I thought DG did a pretty good job on LT until that happened, then we scrambled, and it looks like it's not going to work out.

Best laid plans still can't account for poo happening.  We were forced to find a second left tackle in less than  3 year span. Finding a good LT every decade is challenging enough, and most fans feel it's so easy, that they make asinine accusations that the team doesn't do it's best to protect Cam, and give him weapons.

[TheCasillas]

On 4/8/2018 at 6:51 AM, Hoenheim said:

the problem is, how many offense skill position guys are on that list? Just CMC... 

How many star skill players do the patriots (2), seahawks (1), eagles (2), steelers (2), or jaguars (1) or titans(1)?

I would still call a healthy Olsen a star skill player, and I don't think I am ready to discount Funchess' efforts either.

Still.... it isn't a need to have star players (see cowboys/saints/cardinals/dolphins) compared to having players that have the ultimate chemistry.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, thefuzz said:

You don't have a very strong grasp on the history of the Panthers, and bad contracts.

Also, could you have predicted Oher's career altering concussion?  I thought DG did a pretty good job on LT until that happened, then we scrambled, and it looks like it's not going to work out.

I said arguably. IMO, it is the worst because I cannot recall a contract of that size that was ever given to a player who was as bad BEFORE the contract was offered. 

Oher was up and down. I would credit Gettleman's dumpster diving there.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Best laid plans still can't account for poo happening.  We were forced to find a second left tackle in less than  3 year span. Finding a good LT every decade is challenging enough, and most fans feel it's so easy, that they make asinine accusations that the team doesn't do it's best to protect Cam, and give him weapons.

That is also ignoring that we went out and signed one of the worst free agent LT's available to a massive contract. Oher was a pretty solid dumpster dive but handing out a mega contract to Kalil was Hurney 1.0 esque. 

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

That is also ignoring that we went out and signed one of the worst free agent LT's available to a massive contract. Oher was a pretty solid dumpster dive but handing out a mega contract to Kalil was Hurney 1.0 esque. 

You can call it whatever you want. 

Gettleman went after the available LT with the highest ceiling, and paid what is market value. I know you don't get that. Of course, all of this has NOTHING to do with my original point, but obviously you have reading comprehension issues.

[kungfoodude]

On 4/9/2018 at 4:20 PM, pantherclaw said:

You can call it whatever you want. 

Gettleman went after the available LT with the highest ceiling, and paid what is market value. I know you don't get that. Of course, all of this has NOTHING to do with my original point, but obviously you have reading comprehension issues.

"Highest ceiling" is an absolute joke. It was a bad signing and a horrible contract. Better options where available for more and less money, for that matter. The fact you can't see that is pretty hilarious. 

[pantherclaw]

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

"Highest ceiling" is an absolute joke. It was a bad signing and a horrible contract. Better options where available for more and less money, for that matter. The fact you can't see that is pretty hilarious. 

Hmm. So I can't see these things if I have a different opinion than you? 

That's a pretty ignorant bubble you live in.