RR: Cockrell to push Bradberry for #1 CB

[heel31ok]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is kind of like how we sat Daryl Williams behind Mike Remmers for two years and then Daryl Williams is second team All-Pro in his first year starting while Remmers sucks ass. Sometimes coaches just play the wrong players.

Now, I'm not saying that Cockrell will be an All-Pro by any means, but he showed late in the season that he should've been playing a lot more a lot earlier.

I think signing Cockrell stabilized CB corp so we don't have to panic draft a corner and we can look more to addressing safety or other  positions...would love a stud corner or safety but we aren't forced to only consider them...we have options which is a good thing...

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

I think signing Cockrell stabilized CB corp so we don't have to panic draft a corner and we can look more to addressing safety or other  positions...would love a stud corner or safety but we aren't forced to only consider them...we have options which is a good thing...

This. If there's a stud there, awesome. Draft him. But we won't have to panic spam draft picks at the position like in 2016.

[brandon_87]

1 hour ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I’ve seen this stat before, but it’s a classic example of how stats can be misleading. He didn’t play until late season and then he won a starting place. He can’t be blamed for other players inadequacies when he wasn’t playing. Many reports I’ve read say that this guy doesn’t get credit. He’s earned his chance. Much more so than a player like WR Russell Shepherd who had no track record when we gave him a bigger contract. 

That's actually more like the complete opposite, his stats are misleading because he didn't play much, thus his rating.

[Seoul_Panther]

11 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

That's actually more like the complete opposite, his stats are misleading because he didn't play much, thus his rating.

Ah ok. So all those games he didnt play in when the D was terrible reflect badly on him. But when he came in, won a starting role and was well rated by PFF, it doesn't count because of sample size?Your logic seems inconsistent. 

[Seoul_Panther]

13 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Ah ok. So all those games he didnt play in when the D was terrible reflect badly on him. But when he came in, won a starting role and was well rated by PFF, it doesn't count because of sample size?Your logic seems inconsistent. 

I'm going to correct myself here after further research. He played in all 16 regular season games and maintained/raised his level of play throughout despite the poor play of those around him. The fans on the NYG forum i looked at were extremely dissappointed to see him leave which should be surprising considering team performance overall. Now i wont go out on a limb and say he IS the next AJ Bouye but he is great value at his salary and shouldnt be tarred with the same brush as a failing team.

[brandon_87]

1 hour ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Ah ok. So all those games he didnt play in when the D was terrible reflect badly on him. But when he came in, won a starting role and was well rated by PFF, it doesn't count because of sample size?Your logic seems inconsistent. 

Depends if you're going off of starts it appearances.... And if you go based off PFF ratings or actually watching the games yourself to see how bad their ratings are compared to real life. The dude is average at best and was #4 because he was behind 3 supposed studs that's fizzled out and got hurt. He played sparingly and didn't do bad, but didn't do good either. They had him buried on the depth chart probably because the names ahead of him we're more popular names or proven vets... All we as Panther fans can do is hope he pans out, because we really don't have any other options, our defensive backfield is absolute dog poo, so if a #4 can help us as a #1/2.... go for it, at this point it can't be much worse, but the bottom line is the fact that is is/was a #4 on another team that was horrible in their defensive secondary. You can blame scouting or coaching or whatever... Someone decided he wasn't as good as 3 people ahead if him

[Seoul_Panther]

50 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Depends if you're going off of starts, PFF ratings or actually watching the games yourself to see how bad their ratings are compared to real life.

  Yes, that’s what I’m doing. Because I’m a Panthers fan and don’t watch the Giants. So can I presume that you’ve watched a load of his tape since you’re chiding my assessment? If so fair enough. If not I don’t really get your point.

They had him buried on the depth chart

 He played in every game and as his snaps increased - at the end of the season he managed 3 interceptions in his last 2 games. That’s more than any player in our secondary last season.

Someone decided he wasn't as good as 3 people ahead if him.

  And based on how their season played out you agree that this decision was correct? Or would you agree that over the season this was proven wrong? Do you think that based on this one persons assessment he therefore isn’t worth looking at? I don’t really get your point.

 

[mc52beast]

Really is no reason to go into a new season with a guy who struggled last year and not have competition for his job. Ron wouldn’t be doing HIS job if he let Brad think he’s safe as #1. 

[Seoul_Panther]

9 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Really is no reason to go into a new season with a guy who struggled last year and not have competition for his job. Ron wouldn’t be doing HIS job if he let Brad think he’s safe as #1. 

I agree. Do you think it could be said that this was exactly the mistake RR made last year? With Worley as well as JB?

[MHS831]

PFF may not be an exact science because it is attempting to measure the immeasurable in many ways.  As a high school player and coach, the film grading was a simple + if the player did their job, a - if the player did not execute their mission, or a = if it was a wash.  It was basic, but it worked to a degree.  While PFF may be inaccurate to some, it is the best measure we have--so if anyone wants to trash it,  provide a better system.  The "I know better" approach is not convincing.

[brandon_87]

15 hours ago, Seoul_Panther said:

 

You're under the impression that since I don't agree with you, that I'm wrong... Typical 2018, but I'm just like you... I only watch panther games, except I had the Giants RB on my fantasy team and had it on my split screen. 

 

As for caring what one person says about a player... I don't. I don't give a poo what any analyst says about anybody, I watch and make my own judgement on their play. Personally, I've played my whole life and know the majority of the positions inside and out, when a player sticks out to me, I'll watch them to see why, if they don't stick out... I'll watch them even more to see why they aren't sticking out... Could be they are doing their job so well that they got no action, could be they just are bad... Never know. It's not like I just sit there and watch every player, but this one in particular, I did, I was wondering how the hell could a defensive backfield with 3 big names could so bad... No pass rush? Shitty coverage? Just stuff like that. I'm open minded and look at multiple angles if poo like this. If you're offended, I feel bad for you, but that's how I look at it.

[RetiredCollegeCoach]

17 hours ago, brandon_87 said:

And if you go based off PFF ratings or actually watching the games yourself to see how bad their ratings are compared to real life. 

They really are terrible.

[Seoul_Panther]

No not offended and I don’t necessarily think you’re wrong though I can’t make my own mind up until I see him. Just wondered why you’re so down on him.

[shaqattaq]

On 4/7/2018 at 9:55 PM, MHS831 said:

I don't understand why we get so worked up about DBs--this team wins and loses based on the front 7.  Always have.   The big question mark is DE.  I am fine with Bradberry, Cockrell, Adams and Searcy at this point because the draft will probably strengthen these spots.  I do not see any help at DE beyond the roster.

Obada could be the hidden gem.  Wouldn't that be fun?

I'm OK (not stoked) with CB. We have several pretty good guys on the roster. I can only assume that we will play even more zone, since that's Cockrell's forte, which will also help Bradberry out. I definitely want to draft a starting safety on the first 2 days though. There will be good players still around in the 3rd.  Upgrading safety will also help mask some of our CB deficiencies. 

You're absolutely right about winning or losing based on the front 7. I would love to get a stud pass-rusher early in the draft, just not sure who that guy is. I hope the board falls in our favor. I am excited to see what Hall brings to the mix.