RR: Cockrell to push Bradberry for #1 CB

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, panther4life said:

After reading those Rivera quotes sounds like he would love Jaire Alexander. Super competitive and has the skill set to immediately challenge Bradberry and Cockrell for the # 1 corner spot

That is a good point.  My preference is Oliver--not in the mainstream here.  I would take Carlton Davis from Auburn.  He is big and runs a 4.53. 

[joeyxfresco]

14 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

But, but...Gettlemagic

That man got way too big headed after the 15-1 season 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Well damn, that 2016 draft is starting to look pathetic. 

we went after needs and not BPA..

[Seoul_Panther]

18 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

we went after needs and not BPA..

Vernon Butler was not a need. Supposedly a classic example of BPA. Not seeing it personally. Obviously CB was a need. It seems like we failed selecting both for need AND BPA. Just a poor draft.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Vernon Butler was not a need. Supposedly a classic example of BPA. Not seeing it personally. Obviously CB was a need. It seems like we failed selecting both for need AND BPA. Just a poor draft.

Debatable--Gettlemen was looking at the Star/KK contract talks and did not want to be over a barrel--I think he made personnel decisions based on that dynamic. I do not think that Butler was the best player and did not at the time--he knew he could not afford KK and Star at once.   Look at how the Norman situation turned out--Gettlemen did not like being forced into the situation he was in, so he found a cheaper alternative, which created the needs of the draft.  Draft Bradberry, Worley, and Sanchez.  So I think the entire draft was indeed based on needs--just not immediate needs.

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[Seoul_Panther]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Debatable--Gettlemen was looking at the Star/KK contract talks and did not want to be over a barrel--I think he made personnel decisions based on that dynamic.  Look at how the Norman situation turned out--Gettlemen did not like being forced into the situation he was in, so he found a cheaper alternative, which created the needs of the draft.  Draft Bradberry, Worley, and Sanchez.  So I think the entire draft was indeed based on needs--just not immediate needs.

 

I hear what you’re saying but applying that logic as a paradigm for drafting by need you can basically justify drafting any player at any position on any roster. As much as I see the argument in need and BPA as methods, if the pick is bad it’s bad. 

On topic, Competition is important to player development and maybe Worley/Bradberry weren’t challenged enough. Perhaps looking back the coaches should feels little responsible for not being clear about expectations. If as seems on his social media Worley had a false sense of entitlement we are best rid of him and hopefully this attribute will be more carefully considered in future prospects.

[unicar15]

If those are the DBs and you throw Elder into the mix as well we are going to need some speed at safety. I just don’t see anyone on this team that is going to be able to run with Julio and Mike Evans. It’s great to count on the pass rush but that has also killed us in the past. 

If we could get another guy with the talent of JNorman on this team then the D is super bowl caliber. I just don’t think you can continue to ignore corner when it’s been shown that elite corners get you to Super Bowls. Norman, Sherman, Talib, Harris, Butler...I just don’t see Ross Cockrell and Bradberry (unless JB takes a step) as super bowl caliber DBs. 

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I hear what you’re saying but applying that logic as a paradigm for drafting by need you can basically justify drafting any player at any position on any roster. As much as I see the argument in need and BPA as methods, if the pick is bad it’s bad. 

On topic, Competition is important to player development and maybe Worley/Bradberry weren’t challenged enough. Perhaps looking back the coaches should feels little responsible for not being clear about expectations. If as seems on his social media Worley had a false sense of entitlement we are best rid of him and hopefully this attribute will be more carefully considered in future prospects.

Agree--not excusing the practice, but I think it was a strange pick and whether he was the BPA is debatable--

I just looked for this read that caused me to suspect whether Butler was BPA:  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-gm-admits-future-contracts-are-a-factor-in-drafting-players/  

Competition is very important, and when you do not have experienced CBs, you hope they are competitive.  Worley was not pulling on his side of the tug rope,, apparently --RR would agree with you--and he did come off as if he had a false sense of entitlement.  Great phrasing.

[Harbingers]

I find this laughable. 

[brandon_87]

Am I the only one who thinks it's bad that a #4 on the worst secondary in the league can come here and challenge for a #1 spot?

[Harbingers]

14 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Am I the only one who thinks it's bad that a #4 on the worst secondary in the league can come here and challenge for a #1 spot?

That’s hurney for you.

[Seoul_Panther]

45 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Am I the only one who thinks it's bad that a #4 on the worst secondary in the league can come here and challenge for a #1 spot?

I’ve seen this stat before, but it’s a classic example of how stats can be misleading. He didn’t play until late season and then he won a starting place. He can’t be blamed for other players inadequacies when he wasn’t playing. Many reports I’ve read say that this guy doesn’t get credit. He’s earned his chance. Much more so than a player like WR Russell Shepherd who had no track record when we gave him a bigger contract. 

[ImaginaryKev]

Our CBs blow, hopefully we find a good one in the draft

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, brandon_87 said:

Am I the only one who thinks it's bad that a #4 on the worst secondary in the league can come here and challenge for a #1 spot?

This is kind of like how we sat Daryl Williams behind Mike Remmers for two years and then Daryl Williams is second team All-Pro in his first year starting while Remmers sucks ass. Sometimes coaches just play the wrong players.

Now, I'm not saying that Cockrell will be an All-Pro by any means, but he showed late in the season that he should've been playing a lot more a lot earlier.