Voth doesn't think Safety or DE is in the cards for 1st

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

That's a whole 3 years. This child knows more than you will ever know. Thanks for ignoring me hopefully I won't have to read anymore of your dumbass posts!

Three years post-30 is a big deal. Sorry you don't have the mental chops to hang in there in a debate without resorting to child-like tantrums and insults. Let the kid in your pic start posting instead. Hopefully they display more mental and emotional maturity.

[AU-panther]

People love to say particular players aren’t worth a first round pick but they can’t name 32 that are.

Hurst might not be rated as high as high as some of the TEs last year but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve to go in first.  

Maybe he doesn’t have a first round grade but that doesn’t mean there are  32 players ahead of him on team boards. Maybe we have Goedert higher.

People around here confuse grade and rank.  

On the subject of LBs, we have one suspended and maybe retiring, another with past concussions, and a HC that used to be a LB.  I think LB might be in play more than some people think.

[Moo Daeng]

I have no issues with TE in the first in theory.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

People love to say particular players aren’t worth a first round pick but they can’t name 32 that are.

Hurst might not be rated as high as high as some of the TEs last year but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve to go in first.  

Maybe he doesn’t have a first round grade but that doesn’t mean there are  32 players ahead of him on team boards. Maybe we have Goedert higher.

People around here confuse grade and rank.  

On the subject of LBs, we have one suspended and maybe retiring, another with past concussions, and a HC that used to be a LB.  I think LB might be in play more than some people think.

We draft #24. Here's 24 guys I'd take for the Panthers over any TE in this draft class in no particular order:

1. Saquan Barkley
2. Bradley Chubb
3. Quenton Nelson
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick
5. Denzel Ward
6. Calvin Ridley
7. Josh Jackson
8. Derwin James
9. Marcus Davenport
10. Harold Landy
11. Mike McGlinchey
12. Isaiah Oliver
13. Jaire Alexander
14. James Daniels
15. Isaiah Wynn
16. Justin Reid
17. D.J. Moore
18. Ronnie Harrison
19. Will Hernandez
20. Roquan Smith (even though I really don't want a LB)
21. Vita Vea (even though I really don't want a DT)
22. Da'Ron Payne (see above)
23. Tremaine Edmunds (a little light for a 4-3 DE, but he could be an impact situational rusher right away and probably be north of 270 by the start of the 2019 season)
24. Leighton Vander Esch (see above)

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We draft #24. Here's 24 guys I'd take for the Panthers over any TE in this draft class in no particular order:

1. Saquan Barkley
2. Bradley Chubb
3. Quenton Nelson
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick
5. Denzel Ward
6. Calvin Ridley
7. Josh Jackson
8. Derwin James
9. Marcus Davenport
10. Harold Landy
11. Mike McGlinchey
12. Isaiah Oliver
13. Jaire Alexander
14. James Daniels
15. Isaiah Wynn
16. Justin Reid
17. D.J. Moore
18. Ronnie Harrison
19. Will Hernandez
20. Roquan Smith (even though I really don't want a LB)
21. Vita Vea (even though I really don't want a DT)
22. Da'Ron Payne (see above)
23. Tremaine Edmunds (a little light for a 4-3 DE, but he could be an impact situational rusher right away and probably be north of 270 by the start of the 2019 season)
24. Leighton Vander Esch (see above)

Not to mention again.. We kinda need starters early in the draft and a TE probably be a backup most of the season.. While a safety OG or CB is coming in to compete for starters snaps day 1.. And I really don't want a guard either ..

I just don't see the logic in letting a strong secondary draft go to waste .. Especially when you haven't had a good secondary in years..

[steven8989]

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Three years post-30 is a big deal. Sorry you don't have the mental chops to hang in there in a debate without resorting to child-like tantrums and insults. Let the kid in your pic start posting instead. Hopefully they display more mental and emotional maturity.

Average career of an NFL player**

3.3

Here you go you little prick. Get your stats straight before you call out anybody. I think your one of the dumbest posters on this forum!

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Average career of an NFL player**

3.3

Here you go you little prick. Get your stats straight before you call out anybody. I think your one of the dumbest posters on this forum!

But the average for 1st round picks is 9.3 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/240102/average-player-career-length-in-the-national-football-league/

Also, “your” indicates possession while “you’re” is the contraction of “you are” so if you’re going to try to accuse someone of being dumb try not to come across as a dumbass yourself while doing it.

Better yet, get off the Huddle and go try to wrap up your GED.

[steven8989]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But the average for 1st round picks is 9.3 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/240102/average-player-career-length-in-the-national-football-league/

Also, “your” indicates possession while “you’re” is the contraction of “you are” so if you’re going to try to accuse someone of being dumb try not to come across as a dumbass yourself while doing it.

Better yet, get off the Huddle and go try to wrap up your GED.

I'm sorry I know more about football than you. Good day sir and fug off!

[Moo Daeng]

22 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Are there examples of him saying poo just to cover for the team?

I wasn't accusing him or blaming him. I was pointing out the fact of the situation. How can he comment about anything without a deliberate thought process around it? Unless he is completely in the dark? It's just an odd scenario 

[RoaringRiot]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I wasn't accusing him or blaming him. I was pointing out the fact of the situation. How can he comment about anything without a deliberate thought process around it? Unless he is completely in the dark? It's just an odd scenario 

Bill isn’t willing to be wrong for the sake of creating a narriative for the team. He won’t put his neck or reputation out there like Lacanfora does for the NFL. If he makes a statement it’s because he’s got info behind it, not because he’s guessing. 

[AU-panther]

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We draft #24. Here's 24 guys I'd take for the Panthers over any TE in this draft class in no particular order:

1. Saquan Barkley
2. Bradley Chubb
3. Quenton Nelson
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick
5. Denzel Ward
6. Calvin Ridley
7. Josh Jackson
8. Derwin James
9. Marcus Davenport
10. Harold Landy
11. Mike McGlinchey
12. Isaiah Oliver
13. Jaire Alexander
14. James Daniels
15. Isaiah Wynn
16. Justin Reid
17. D.J. Moore
18. Ronnie Harrison
19. Will Hernandez
20. Roquan Smith (even though I really don't want a LB)
21. Vita Vea (even though I really don't want a DT)
22. Da'Ron Payne (see above)
23. Tremaine Edmunds (a little light for a 4-3 DE, but he could be an impact situational rusher right away and probably be north of 270 by the start of the 2019 season)
24. Leighton Vander Esch (see above)

Nice list, add in 5 QBs and you are at 30 but that is kinda my point.  Once you get to that 20-35 range the options are going to get a lot more varied among teams.  I would guess Chubb is top 5 on pretty much every teams board.  Ward is probably top 10 on every teams board.  Derwin James is probably top 15 on every teams board.  Once you get around 25 you will start to see a lot more variation. 

Someone like Sutton might be top 30 on one teams board and top 50 on another.  Same with Hurst and Reid.  I just don't buy this idea that Hurst is worth a first round pick but certain other players are.  

Also how much do we factor need in.  Payne might have a higher grade than Hurst but which one helps us more?  I'm not saying we should draft Hurst, I just don't buy this idea that Hurst isn't worth a first round pick but certain other players are.  Personally I really like the CBs that might be available at 24.  Just not sure if the staff views CB as a huge need with Bradberry and Cockrell.  If a rookie CB doesn't beat them out then a TE would actually play more as a #2 TE.  Also I think we might be able to get a good safety in that 2nd to 3rd round range.

[Moo Daeng]

15 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

Bill isn’t willing to be wrong for the sake of creating a narriative for the team. He won’t put his neck or reputation out there like Lacanfora does for the NFL. If he makes a statement it’s because he’s got info behind it, not because he’s guessing. 

That's weird. Why should they want that? I'm not attacking your friend. I'm trying to discuss the reality of the scenario. 

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Nice list, add in 5 QBs and you are at 30 but that is kinda my point.  Once you get to that 20-35 range the options are going to get a lot more varied among teams.  I would guess Chubb is top 5 on pretty much every teams board.  Ward is probably top 10 on every teams board.  Derwin James is probably top 15 on every teams board.  Once you get around 25 you will start to see a lot more variation. 

Someone like Sutton might be top 30 on one teams board and top 50 on another.  Same with Hurst and Reid.  I just don't buy this idea that Hurst is worth a first round pick but certain other players are.  

Also how much do we factor need in.  Payne might have a higher grade than Hurst but which one helps us more?  I'm not saying we should draft Hurst, I just don't buy this idea that Hurst isn't worth a first round pick but certain other players are.  Personally I really like the CBs that might be available at 24.  Just not sure if the staff views CB as a huge need with Bradberry and Cockrell.  If a rookie CB doesn't beat them out then a TE would actually play more as a #2 TE.  Also I think we might be able to get a good safety in that 2nd to 3rd round range.

I think need always factors into the equation but teams don’t just draft for the upcoming season. You’re hoping to get a decade of high level play out of a 1st round pick. That’s where Hurst’s age WILL impact his draft value despite certain Huddlers’ consternation over the fact. You’re probably only getting 5-7 years of high level play out of him if he pans out and he’ll be looking to cash in on his second contract right around the time he’s nearing the end of his prime. By the time he should be peaking in terms of NFL experience he’ll probably already be on the decline physically. It’s definitely a factor that NFL teams will consider when grading him.

[RoaringRiot]

12 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

That's weird. Why should they want that? I'm not attacking your friend. I'm trying to discuss the reality of the scenario. 

The Panthers care more about driving traffic to their website than creating spin about their possible draft interests that other teams’ GMs are mostly certainly not reading.