Voth doesn't think Safety or DE is in the cards for 1st

[Smithers]

So far from reading the Huddle I have gathered:

S is not worth a first round pick

G is not worth a first round pick

RB is not worth a first round pick 

TE is not worth a first round pick

CB is not worth a first round pick

DE (in this draft) is not worth a first round pick 

We know QB won’t be the pick at 24.  So I guess we are going LB or WR.  Thanks everyone. 

[Nails]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

I actually kind of hope we trade down to like pick 30-32ish. Not out of the 1st completely but back a little. Maybe a team going for Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph.

Thought about that but H A T E the idea of the Falcons or Saints taking our guy, or trading out of their pick to allow another team to take our guy.

[Seoul_Panther]

28 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

TE developmental? Are u crazy if Greg Olsen is injured wth do we do. No way we trust Manhertz I don't care what Rivera and Turner says. We are in trouble at TE and if this is Greg's last year we have to have someone to be able to come right in and not miss a beat for our offense.

What if GO is healthy? Then We've  spent a high draft pick on a part time player with regards to this season at least. A blocking TE2 like Schultz in the 6th is fine. We have areas that currently have no quality starters. 

If Voth is saying 24 is a little high for Reid if there are other BPA then fine. We can gamble that he will be there round 2 and fall back on Bates. Miss them both and it doesn’t look so clever.

I agree that trade back might be best case scenario.

[CarolinaNCSU]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

I actually kind of hope we trade down to like pick 30-32ish. Not out of the 1st completely but back a little. Maybe a team going for Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph.

If Rudolph gets by Buffalo and New England right before us, we'd be in the prime spot for a team wanting to jump up and grab him before the Saints, Steelers, Jags pick, and NE picks again.

The start of round two is interesting, though.  Cleveland will have their QB (you assume), but the Giants are at 34 if Gettleman goes elsewhere at #2...and the Colts pick at 36 and 37.  If they don't trust Luck's health...24 and one of our 3rds (might can swing it for only 24) for 36 and 37?  Yes please. This of course is contending on a lot of factors (Luck's health, what they think of Brissett, etc.)

New England at 31 plus their early 2nd could also be fun if they want to pick at 23 & 24

[Captain Morgan]

Reid has been falling since the combine.  I don't want to use a first on him or any other safety not named James or Minka.

We know the idea is to get faster and younger around the edges, so I'm thinking if Josh Jackson CB falls, we take him, and we are set at CB for a few years.  The other option is WR...Ridley has also been dropping, but I don't like him in the first either.  If we go WR, I'd prefer DJ Moore if he drops, but I read that we have Kirk as top of the board at WR, and 24 might be a bit of a reach for him.

The problem with TE and Interior OL is we may have to take one in the 1st or 2nd to get the ones that could make an impact early.

[juliosantos]

were going either oline or wr most likely 

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I'm skeptical that the flavor of the day (one), Justin Reid, as is the pick in so many mock drafts, is going to be our first rounder. He's a safe pick, no doubt, but will he be the best value? Probably not. Bill Voth basically says the same in so many words on the team's site.

"If you're going to spend a first-round pick on a safety - especially for a defensive scheme where that position is relatively low in the pecking order of importance - it should be on a tone-setter, a guy who'd immediately change the swagger of the backend. James or Fitzpatrick could do that. I'm not as sold on Ronnie Harrison or Justin Reid, who's seen a recent surge in mock draft matchmaking."

 

Voth acknowledges that either Reid or Harrison would likely be day-one starters, but insinuates that this may still turn out to be the case for some other later round prospects.

As for defensive end, Voth flatly says that there's no one worth a first except Bradley Chubb. He may be right, but, as an aside, Stephen White (former NFL DE, now analyst) had this to say about Marcus Davenport

 

"For now I have Bradley Chubb ahead of Davenport as the better edge rusher prospect. Chubb is a little more polished and has a little better motor. But I want to be clear that Davenport has just as much if not more potential than Chubb."

 

White admittedly doesn't have access to college film, and simply watched four games, but he makes some good points (complete with gifs). It's worth a look.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/20/17089168/2018-nfl-draft-marcus-davenport-breakdown-scouting-report

 

But getting back to Voth, he says that he would "use No. 24 on a cornerback or best player available who would just so happen to line up with another position of need." He also mentioned that a WR or TE Hayden Hurst wouldn't be totally out of the picture, or even trading down if your top 5 or 6 guys are gone. 

http://m.panthers.com/news/article-2/Grill-Bill-First-round-safety/5ebad9ed-7192-4440-b754-030a44666247

 

So, there it is. Perhaps Reid will be the pick, but given the circumstances there are those of us that believe that picking him would not exactly be swinging for the fences. The same can probably be said for a lot of players at No. 24 in this class. It's going to be very interesting to see what actually goes down. I'm thinking that if Calvin Ridley or D.J. Moore fall, it's going to be one of them (provided that an equally graded CB isn't available, which I can't see at the moment). I feel the dark horse candidates would be Sony Michel or Hayden Hurst, or maybe even Mike McGlinchey, Will Hernandez or Kolton Miller.

o great, now I don't know what to think.

[top dawg]

46 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

Reid has been falling since the combine.  I don't want to use a first on him or any other safety not named James or Minka.

We know the idea is to get faster and younger around the edges, so I'm thinking if Josh Jackson CB falls, we take him, and we are set at CB for a few years.  The other option is WR...Ridley has also been dropping, but I don't like him in the first either.  If we go WR, I'd prefer DJ Moore if he drops, but I read that we have Kirk as top of the board at WR, and 24 might be a bit of a reach for him.

The problem with TE and Interior OL is we may have to take one in the 1st or 2nd to get the ones that could make an impact early.

Where in the hell did you read that Kirk was at the top of our WR board? 

[trueblade]

The pick isn't just about 2018. GMs have to think longer term than that. Pick Daniels (the Center from Iowa). Let him learn from Kalil for a year or be a great fill in if Kalil is injured again, but also have the need filled when Ryan retires and not be scrambling or dependent on a rook in 2019.

[Ace_Aladdin]

TE or RB 

 

[Captain Morgan]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Where in the hell did you read that Kirk was at the top of our WR board? 

this board, iirc

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, Nails said:

Thought about that but H A T E the idea of the Falcons or Saints taking our guy, or trading out of their pick to allow another team to take our guy.

That’s why you don’t fall in love with one player.  Scout the players and trust your board.  I’m guessing history is full of “our guys” that haven’t turned out great.

Ealy was probably somebody’s “guy”, apearently Norwell wasnt.

If your pick rolls around and several like graded players are still on your board you consider trading down.

If someone falls that you have rated a lot higher than the rest of your board you stay put.

Personally I don’t think there is huge difference between what you might get between 20-35.  A lot of it going to depend on what other teams need and how their board is set up.  There is enough players in that range that would fit a need for us that I would think trading down should be an option.

i would guess that the top 10 players for each team are pretty similar. Probably a little more variance among 10-20. Once you get past 20 I would think it very a good bit.

[Nails]

8 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

That’s why you don’t fall in love with one player.  Scout the players and trust your board.  I’m guessing history is full of “our guys” that haven’t turned out great.

Ealy was probably somebody’s “guy”, apearently Norwell wasnt.

If your pick rolls around and several like graded players are still on your board you consider trading down.

If someone falls that you have rated a lot higher than the rest of your board you stay put.

Personally I don’t think there is huge difference between what you might get between 20-35.  A lot of it going to depend on what other teams need and how their board is set up.  There is enough players in that range that would fit a need for us that I would think trading down should be an option.

i would guess that the top 10 players for each team are pretty similar. Probably a little more variance among 10-20. Once you get past 20 I would think it very a good bit.

Don’t disagree and for the first time in awhile I don’t have a super strong opinion about what I hope shakes out.  Quite frankly based on what I know I’d stay put and take Harrison at 24.  A lot of mocks have him going 28 to Pittsburgh and we’re obviously not wheeling/dealing with the Falcons/Saints before that.

The Seahawks have traded a dime for two nickels in the draft by trading back for awhile now and have have been horrendous in the draft since they struck gold from 2010-2012.

Just food for thought.

[LinvilleGorge]

If we draft a 25 year old TE in the 1st I’m going to be displeased.