Voth doesn't think Safety or DE is in the cards for 1st

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Considering that, in my opinion, there are no TEs with a first round grade--and I question round 2--we need to drop back. 

About the QB point--we almost need a new thread for this,  but there are (in my opinion) four "elite" QB prospects and 2 solid QB prospects (Jackson, and Rudolph).  I am guessing all go in the first round once the trading starts.

Cleveland 1, 4: No doubt the grab one of the top 4 QBs.  Darnold is my guess

Giants: 2:  With Eli at 38,  Gettlemen will not pass up the second overall pick in the draft for a hog mollie.  Allen is my guess.

Jets 3:  They did not trade with the Colts for RB.  They will take a QB--Rosen is my guess.

Cleveland 4:  How much do they want Barkley? If you consider the fact that Keenum is probably not the solution in Denver at QB,  The Browns will be offered a fairly nice package for a team like Buffalo to move up.  Problem?  Is Mayfield worth it?  Some compare him to Tribuski--so yeah?  I predict that Buffalo packages picks 12 and 22 to move up to #4.  Cleveland should take it.

Denver 5: If Denver wants Mayfield, they should offer their first rounder in 2019 and their second rounder in 2018 to move up.  Cleveland still gets Barklay and they don't really need more draft picks in 2018.  Let's say either way, Mayfield is gone and either Buffalo or Denver needs a QB.  If we want a trade, we should hope that Buffalo moves up and grabs a QB because if they do not, they have 2 picks before us. Either way, the Bills will be fighting to move up as long as a top 4 qb is on the table. 

After that,  Jackson is probably the next QB to go.  Miami at 11 or Arizona at 15 could bite--and of course, Buffalo if they do not trade up from 12.  I see one of these 3 teams taking the bait and grabbing Jackson--my guess is Arizona (they cannot feel good about Bradford and Glennon).  Still, it is possible that middle of the first is too rich for Rudolph or Jackson. 

After Pick #24, there are  teams that need a qb--we know Miami and Arizona may need one.  But teams like the Chargers, Patriots, Jags, and Steelers could fall in love with a QB and decide to move up for Rudolph or Jackson. I could see New England moving up with us, but if Buffalo is still without a QB, we are probably going to chat.   I think New England would like Rudolph after a year or two under Brady, so I am predicting that we move back to 31 in a deal with New England, getting their third rounder.

 

I’m not opposed to trading down but I think there’s going to be someone very attractive there at #24 - probably a DB or OL. I’m just afraid Hurney is gonna draft a RB, LB, or DT. 

[Harbingers]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You literally just walked yourself through why you’re incorrect and it still didn’t occur to you.

Read through it again and see if you can understand it.

It isn’t about who knows what, it’s about whether or not that knowledge was intentionally shared.

I know you may dislike gettleman. But he wouldn’t have shared or let anything be shared he didn’t want shared. 

You are literally saying you know more than Voth or anyone else on staff under an NDA.

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I’m not opposed to trading down but I think there’s going to be someone very attractive there at #24 - probably a DB or OL. I’m just afraid Hurney is gonna draft a RB, LB, or DT. 

RB or DT scares me---

If we do not have a Ridley or Moore or an Alexander, for example, we could drop and still get a Wynn,, Hernandez, Price, or Daniels to play G/C or a Reid or Oliver, C.Davis, etc. at DB--with an extra third, I like the odds a RB and TE can be added then--when they are good value.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

I know you may dislike gettleman. But he wouldn’t have shared or let anything be shared he didn’t want shared. 

You are literally saying you know more than Voth or anyone else on staff under an NDA.

I don’t dislike Gettleman I just don’t worship the guy. I think he did more good than bad.

In no way am I saying what you claim I’m saying and all you have to do is read through your last post to see that. I honestly have no idea how you’re jumping to that conclusion.

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don’t dislike Gettleman I just don’t worship the guy. I think he did more good than bad.

In no way am I saying what you claim I’m saying and all you have to do is read through your last post to see that. I honestly have no idea how you’re jumping to that conclusion.

Instead of asking me to gather what is going on in your brain, just say what your saying because that’s not what it looks like right now.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

Yeah calling me and my daughter's pic stupid. Looks like ur the ass to me, u can just quit commenting on my posts u asshole.

 If you are going to single out  people and call them names, you should probably leave your daughter out of the mix. Comprehend?  Now, you are probably going to be banned soon, so when you create an alias account and try to rejoin this board, do so in a manner that does not embarrass or expose those you should be more careful about protecting and not embarrassing.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Harbingers said:

Instead of asking me to gather what is going on in your brain, just say what your saying because that’s not what it looks like right now.

All you have to do is read. What I said is that just because something is common knowledge doesn’t necessarily mean that knowledge was intentionally shared. That is in no way claiming I know more than people inside the building. It’s acknowledging the fact that somehow lots of leaks came out of our front office on who we were likely targeting in the 1st round in the last three drafts. No one was surprised in the least about any of these picks despite the fact that neither Shaq nor Butler addressed an immediate need. It’s because there was plenty of chatter around the Panthers and all three of the most recently drafted 1st round picks. I seriously doubt those leaks were intentional. That’s what I’m saying. For all the people who think Gettleman was some master poker player, our 1st round picks certainly didn’t have any mystery around them during his time here.

[LinvilleGorge]

42 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Chill out I get banned for way less. Then someone calls out my pic of my family and nobody says nothing. This site has gotten ridiculous.

 

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 If you are going to single out  people and call them names, you should probably leave your daughter out of the mix. Comprehend?  Now, you are probably going to be banned soon, so when you create an alias account and try to rejoin this board, do so in a manner that does not embarrass or expose those you should be more careful about protecting and not embarrassing.

The idiot has already admitted to being previously banned.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

Damn I thought your name was LinvilleDouche

This is why you got called out.  Cause and effect.  You get what you deserve. Reaping what you sow.  What goes around...stop me when the light comes on....

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

True, but it does tend to make that premier player less of a value. Look at the DEs. People are talking about us taking Hubbard in the first in some mocks. Next year, he could be closer to a 3rd rounder than a 1st. Same with Davenport. Different body type, but he reminds me of Kpassagnon from last year who was a mid 2nd not a mid 1st. Weak position classes aren’t what you want to draft early. Personally, I think strong position classes are where the value is and that’s why I’d rather stay away from DEs until next year. Late first could net us a DE who’d go ahead of Davenport/10-15 this year. 

I don't know man, Davenport is pretty freaky. I think he's likely going higher than most people think. And I think he'd be a high pick in most any draft class. You don't find 6'6" 265 with his speed/strength combination very often. 

[steven8989]

31 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

The idiot has already admitted to being previously banned.

Who cares I can get my info elsewhere this site has become a bunch of idiots just like you and MHS831. Use to come on here and get some info on real news. Now all you see when you come on here is fake news and people calling out your family. Yeah I guess Igo don't care how this site is ran anymore, probably why you never see him on here like you use too. Then he gets all these other idiots to run it for him.

[steven8989]

32 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

This is why you got called out.  Cause and effect.  You get what you deserve. Reaping what you sow.  What goes around...stop me when the light comes on....

Fug you asshole have fun with all these other idiots on here. I will go get my real news elsewhere!!! 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Who cares I can my info elsewhere this site has become a bunch of idiots just like you and MHS831. Use to come on here and get some info on real news. Now all you see when you come on here is fake news and people calling out your family. Yeah I guess Igo don't care how this site is ran anymore, probably why you never see him on here like you use too. Then he gets all these other idiots to run it for him.

And yet here you still are and still quoting a guy you've claimed to be ignoring in probably no less than two dozen prior posts.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, steven8989 said:

Fug you asshole have fun with all these other idiots on here. I will go get my real news elsewhere!!!