Dante Wesley hit, good hit or cheap shot?

[Phil Dees]

You dont have to have a hit to the head to get a concussion. The sudden inpact can cause the brain to move within the skull. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that.

[MisterJiggyFly]

Wesley's arm hit his throat, Smith hasn't complained about his head since the game ended. He said he is having trouble swallowing, but is described as being in "fair" condition by his teammates (from pewterreport.com).

No poo that a concussion is caused by hard hits to the head. This wasn't a hard hit to the head. His head might have gotten a little contact, but not much more than others got when getting tackled today, but none of them faked death.

Dude, seriously, stop talking. A concussion can have NOTHING to do with a direct blow to the head. It's all about acceleration and your brain smacking into your skull. I could theoretically punch you in the stomach so hard your head snaps forward and you become concussed. It's not hard to understand. Shut the hell up already.

[PanthersFanNY]

I see now... Every hit should of course affect every player exactly the same. It's obviously impossible that there could be two different outcomes to two different hits on two different people. I mean, you wouldn't have even had the breath knocked out of you on that hit, right? A real man such as yourself would've stood right up and run a marathon before the next snap.

Before you read that book on physiology, maybe you should read a book on reading comprehension. Oh, how ironic that would be.

Please clench your buttocks together, there are too many words spraying out! :eek:

You're now relying on insults to get your point across, which isn't working. I never claimed to be such a manly man that that hit wouldn't have hurt me. Your post has little relevance to the topic and the logic that you used doesn't make any sense.

[KillerKat]

Wesley's arm hit his throat, Smith hasn't complained about his head since the game ended. He said he is having trouble swallowing, but is described as being in "fair" condition by his teammates (from pewterreport.com).

No poo that a concussion is caused by hard hits to the head. This wasn't a hard hit to the head. His head might have gotten a little contact, but not much more than others got when getting tackled today, but none of them faked death.

Yeah you definately need to take a reading comprehension class. I didn't say only hard hits to the head causes concussions. I said a player that get's hit that hard could cause his brain to smash the front of his skull. Wesley did hit him high and his arm did hit under his chin. You have no ground to stand on here to say he "faked death".

[koolkatluke]

I can tell he was trying to time the hit so the player would drop the ball

What were you watching? If he was trying too time it he would have slow down and watch the PR eyes. Then he would have hit the bread basket [or mid section} where most PR catch the ball. So he would have hit his hands and the ball instead of lauching into the guys shoulder. If he was doing what you are saying then that would have happen. Dante had ample time too make a good play instead he did a stupid play.

If this would have happen too Steve on a punt return most fans would be asking for someone head. But i guess no harm no foul when it's a player on the other team. As a panther fan I can admit it was a bush league move by dante.

[PanthersFanNY]

Yeah you definately need to take a reading comprehension class. I didn't say only hart hits to the head causes concussions. I said a player that get's hit that hard could cause his brain to smash the front of his skull. Wesley did hit him high and his arm did hit under his chin. You have no ground to stand on here to say he "faked death".

I said NO poo to your astute observation as to what causes a concussion. You just ignored everything else in my post. He might have gotten a mild concussion. Do you think he got a severe concussion that is capable of knocking someone out from that hit? Do you think if he was legitimately knocked out he would be walking around fine three minutes later? Do you think if he really had a severe concussion he wouldn't be puking his guts out on the sideline?

[MisterJiggyFly]

You're now relying on insults to get your point across, which isn't working. I never claimed to be such a manly man that that hit wouldn't have hurt me. Your post has little relevance to the topic and the logic that you used doesn't make any sense.

You clearly can't comprehend anything we're typing here. I wasn't making a personal attack, merely pointing out that a hit like that could have literally killed you or me, concussed Clifton Smith, or not even shaken up someone else. There are a bajillion factors that determine what happens.

You can't sit on your couch and determine through your television how seriously the guy was hurt (even if you have HD). Which brings me full circle to the reason that everyone is yelling at you like the moron that you are: you have NO RIGHT to insist that he was faking his injury. Idiot.

[KillerKat]

I said NO poo to your astute observation as to what causes a concussion. You just ignored everything else in my post. He might have gotten a mild concussion. Do you think he got a severe concussion that is capable of knocking someone out from that hit? Do you think if he was legitimately knocked out he would be walking around fine three minutes later? Do you think if he really had a severe concussion he wouldn't be puking his guts out on the sideline?

People act differently to concussions. Just because someone doesn't act accordingly to your "idea" of how a person is supposed to after sustaining a concussion doesn't mean they are faking it. That's absolute asinine.

[PanthersFanNY]

You clearly can't comprehend anything we're typing here. I wasn't making a personal attack, merely pointing out that a hit like that could have literally killed you or me, concussed Clifton Smith, or not even shaken up someone else. There are a bajillion factors that determine what happens.

You can't sit on your couch and determine through your television how seriously the guy was hurt (even if you have HD). Which brings me full circle to the reason that everyone is yelling at you like the moron that you are: you have NO RIGHT to insist that he was faking his injury. Idiot.

"Everyone" equals two or three people? And look, you littered another post with insults!

I am not doubting that he got a concussion (as I said in the last two or three posts). I think he probably got a mild concussion, but not a severe concussion that would have caused him to be knocked out. I am basing this on the fact that he was up a few minutes later, wasn't puking, and was pretty much fine after the game except for a little trouble swallowing (how Ernest Graham described Smith post-game).

It was a terrible hit, but I don't think it was as bad as it seemed at first, and it is clearly being blow way out of proportion.

This will be my last post on this subject until more evidence or a future injury report is released, because there is no point in arguing about it anymore. You guys think he had a severe concussion and wasn't faking being knocked out, I disagree.

[koolkatluke]

You said the returner has the right to the ball no matter what. I just proved to you that he doesn't.

You Can Push his own blocker into him. This is why blockers on Punt returns scatter when the ball coming down so they don't hit their man or get hit by the ball. But as a defender in that situation you can't engage the PR until he has had a chance at the ball. Once he has made a play for the ball then it is open season. But the ball has too have hit the PR or the ground before the gunner can make a play. Stop typing and go too a rule book you look f'n stupid.

[firstdayfan]

Check out the front page of Yahoo.com...its priceless. For the record I think Dante Wesley was totally in the wrong and that looked like something from the freakin XFL. Pure BS.

[MisterJiggyFly]

I am not doubting that he got a concussion (as I said in the last two or three posts). I think he probably got a mild concussion, but not a severe concussion that would have caused him to be knocked out. I am basing this on the fact that he was up a few minutes later, wasn't puking, and was pretty much fine after the game except for a little trouble swallowing (how Ernest Graham described Smith post-game).

Um... just because he was laying on the ground doesn't mean he was unconscious. This is where you're being ignorant. After a hit like that, his entire body probably hurt like hell and if he was concussed he forgot where he was for a little bit, regardless of the severity of the brain injury. Why is it so difficult to understand why he would be on the ground?

Him laying on the ground and walking off the field a few minutes later are completely unrelated. You can walk off the field on your own power after tearing your ACL, having your intestines ripped out, having both arms blown off, and when you come to your senses after a concussion as we saw today. Once again, you have no right to insist he faked the injury - that is just insulting and ignorant.

[OBXPantha]

You Can Push his own blocker into him. This is why blockers on Punt returns scatter when the ball coming down so they don't hit their man or get hit by the ball. But as a defender in that situation you can't engage the PR until he has had a chance at the ball. Once he has made a play for the ball then it is open season. But the ball has too have hit the PR or the ground before the gunner can make a play. Stop typing and go too a rule book you look f'n stupid.

Its hard to believe that some people on here don't know this. If people would stop and think a minute....why would you be able to plow into a punt returner while he is standing there waiting to catch the ball, but you can't knock down a receiver until after the ball reaches them? It don't make sense. A team would have to carry 15 punt returners on the squad because you would have one knocked out every punt.

[Happy Panther]

Check out the front page of Yahoo.com...its priceless. For the record I think Dante Wesley was totally in the wrong and that looked like something from the freakin XFL. Pure BS.

what was it?