Another scandal on Mint Street???

[rico6]

Leave the Stadium? Is this a Mister's Panthers thing or an actual NFL policy? If so, holy poo.

[Cookie Lyon]

1 minute ago, rico6 said:

Leave the Stadium? Is this a Mister's Panthers thing or an actual NFL policy? If so, holy poo.

But a lot of people in this thread are just fine with that. At least you and a few other posters in here have common sense.

[ThPantherFan]

3 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Not surprised at some of these responses. 

Just tell them to kiss your patoodee.  Nah, they would probably come back with crude remarks.  Let their ignorance roll off your back.

[h0llywood]

5 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Not sure if others hit on it, but I'm too lazy to look, but cheerleaders are one of the most sexist things going.    It needs to just be scraped.    If I had a daughter I'm not sure I'd want them doing it, or at least not after they become teenagers.   

While I agree on not wanting my daughters to do this, gender equality also means allowing women the ability to do whatever they want with their bodies, to include cheerleading, stripping and prostitution, without feeling like lesser humans. 

 

[CatTower]

5 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

But a lot of people in this thread are just fine with that. At least you and a few other posters in here have common sense.

Almost every job I've had I wore my uniform home.  Oh the horror!  I didn't even know I was being exploited by not changing out of my uniform until I got home.

[AggieLean]

6 minutes ago, Dex said:

You're grasping at straws. If you want to put it that way then yes. I do consider myself one of the idiots she was referring to. That is why I took offense because it seems to her that anyone who disagrees with her point is an idiot. My first 3 posts had nothing to do with playing nice. All in all I apologized a few pages back and I'd like to move on. If you still have some problems with me feel free to DM me so we can work it out. Bickering like this is only derailing the thread even more.

 

If you still think I'm a hypocritical jackass then so be it. You're entitled to your opinion on the internets.

 

 

Nah, you’re good. No issues on this end. I’ll leave it alone and move on. I try to avoid the male on male DMs.

I don’t think you’re a jackass.

 

 

[vorbis]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Ah, @vorbis I appreciate your attempt but I will not get into a gender conflict driven conversation. If you are stating that due to the fact the OP is female, that is why the OP was unable to stay composed, then that is between you two. 

No matter the gender, the OP became hostile toward the audience.  You are attempting to change the rhetoric in this conversation and I do not want to participate in that, because that is not where the disagreement occurred. You are claiming it was the OP against the world, well the torches were not lit until the OP called the thread participants idiots. 

As a mature adult, you/we should know that negativity only leads to problems, not solutions.

I believe in gender equality, and that is also a reason I can not state "because she is a woman this is a tough environment" - that wouldn't be fair to her.

there are some accusations in your post that are false around what I have said. Now if you feel I am incorrect i'd be willing to look over any previous comments that I said that provides significant evidence I was being sexist or misogynistic.

so what you took from my post is that I believe the OP was unable to stay composed because she's female? really? 

the OP became hostile to the audience first, huh. let's see...

original post: I have a major problem with this situation

post #3: "who cares? gtfo"

post #4: post 3 QFT

post #5: surely you're joking

post #6: this is a non-issue

post #7: this is a non-issue

post #8: this is a non-issue

post #9: this is a non-issue (with bonus straw man)

post #11: this is a non-issue

 

and all within about 10 minutes from her original post. the thread was hopping. and it was a legit onslaught of people telling her that the thing she cares about is a non-issue and she should gtfo. let's not pretend she was the one who raised the temperature.

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

Your argument was a pithy jab about one element of what Cookie was mentioning in the OP.

It's not an adverse work environment just because of few water breaks, its that + near-minimum wage pay + shouldering costs of uniform + unpaid appearances at charity events/golf tournys + creepily invasive, sometimes objectifying, and paternalistic regulations regarding personal hygiene etc.

Ultimately the job is voluntary, and I personally wonder why on earth anyone would take it, but there are legit complaints regarding it and to dismiss those complaints so blithely is pretty fuged imo.

I disagree that is so terrible or difficult.  I have been a boy scout leader for 25 years. I have to buy my own uniform, pay my way (and my child's way)everywhere out of my own pocket. Seabase adventure camp last year was 1500 bucks for both my son and myself and that was one trip.  I drive all over the country using my own gas, buy my own meals. Sleep outside on the ground in all kinds of weather and do it for no pay whatsoever. I have tons of regulations and rules I have to adhere to and my conduct and behavior is scrutinized by everyone.   Compared to that being a top cat is a picnic.

Why do I do it? Because it is my moral duty to develop the leaders of tomorrow and instead of preaching morality and values from a pulpit or trying to legislate it, I live it.

Millions of us volunteer everyday under much worse situations than the top cats. Think Peace Corp or missionary volunteer in a third world country. I find this whole discussion way overblown.

[pantherphan96]

16 minutes ago, CatTower said:

Lots of places make you buy your own uniform as well as pay minimum wage(think fast food).  You also aren't allowed to take water breaks during busy times.  These women are in no worse position than the majority of Americans. 

the fact that you are okay with this argument and just leaving it at that is astonishing to me.

why would you deny improving the working conditions of one group because other groups work in poor conditions?

why not push for better conditions for everyone like RetiredCollegeCoach mentioned on one of the first pages of this thread?

[AggieLean]

9 minutes ago, CatTower said:

Almost every job I've had I wore my uniform home.  Oh the horror!  I didn't even know I was being exploited by not changing out of my uniform until I got home.

Why are you trying to minimize these issues? This is the type of jabs that occur in everyone of these types of threads, yet it’s always these that are ignored largely on the board.

In fact, I pretty much know everyone who had a problem with Cookie and let her know she was being “hostile” won’t say a word about this. And this is how it goes in all these types of threads, and you wonder why people are “hostile.” You know what to expect here.

[pantherphan96]

17 minutes ago, h0llywood said:

Yes it was a jab at the water issue, because as I previously pointed out with facts regarding the opportunities to drink water, it is a non-issue. I am going to reiterate, being told when to drink water is NOT the same as not being allowed to drink water. Therefore, it isn't an element at all.

Are there legitimate complaints about the other issues at hand? Absolutely. But then again, I do not feel bad for anyone who understands the requirements of their job description and willfully signs up for employment.

this was my whole point. maybe in the future don't just throw in a jab on one small part of a bigger issue and then act surprised when you get called out on it. as for your last point, i agree and stated as much in my last reply.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

Why are you trying to minimize these issues? This is the type of jabs that occur in everyone of these types of threads, yet it’s always these that are ignored largely on the board.

Why are you making such a big deal as if these women are being used or somehow victimized. They like what they do and don't think it is a problem. And they aren't some backwoods uneducated women. They have careers and many are very educated. Why not ask them how it is or what needs to change before assuming it is a bad place to work or all these changes are needed. I bet you are more unhappy for them then they are 

[CatTower]

4 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

the fact that you are okay with this argument and just leaving it at that is astonishing to me.

why would you deny improving the working conditions of one group because other groups work in poor conditions?

why not push for better conditions for everyone like RetiredCollegeCoach mentioned on one of the first pages of this thread?

That was what I said earlier...

"Do you think female cheerleaders are the only people working for pennies on a dollar in this country?  There are jobs all over that take advantage of people.  At least in the United States we do have a minimum wage(it just hasn't been raised in forever).  Point is, stop making it seem like these poor cheerleaders are the only people working a job that is lousy.  This soapbox isn't going to work on anyone.  Tackle the bigger issue and the smaller ones will take care of themselves."

 

It is a bigger issue that starts at the top.  These cheerleaders are just being used as a target because our political system apparently revolves around sports.  

[CatTower]

7 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Why are you trying to minimize these issues? This is the type of jabs that occur in everyone of these types of threads, yet it’s always these that are ignored largely on the board.

In fact, I pretty much know everyone who had a problem with Cookie and let her know she was being “hostile” won’t say a word about this. And this is how it goes in all these types of threads, and you wonder why people are “hostile.” You know what to expect here.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.  Why do you keep trying to make this about Cookie and not the article she posted?  I don't know but it seems like you are just coming in here trying to defend someone you think is being attacked while ignoring the actual issue.