What is our cap space?

[Harbingers]

@TheCasillas

You said we are middle of the road. That is clearly not the case. I corrected you simple. Right now we look like the fuging New Orleans Saints of the past 3-4 years. Not the well managed Panthers team. 

If you don’t like what I have to say. You have every right to not respond or visit the thread. 

[Harbingers]

12 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

The nflpa certainly adjusted. It has 6 more contracts than a week ago. Pay attention.

6 million and a bit of change doesn’t go to 5.9 after signing six players that are considered to be in the running for a starter spot. 

Spotrac list 70 players, NFLPA lists 70 players. 

The contracts aren’t on Spotrac. 

Where is the discrepancy?

[Harbingers]

10 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

When you look at the top 51 on Spotrac, it shows us with about enough cap to sign our rookies.  But if we needed to clear, say, a quick 9 million in space we could convert KK's base salary this year into a signing bonus, and distribute it across the rest of his contract.  That would mean we pay him 500K in salary and 3 million in bonus per year, which would lower this year's hit from 17 million to 8 million, but would increase next years' to 20 million.

There are a lot of games that can be played with the cap, and the Panthers' front office knows all of them.  If Hurney really did want to screw up the cap, you can bet he would be doing things like I just described and grabbing the expensive free agents.  Instead, it looks like he's plugging holes with JAGS and waiting to see what the draft brings.   That's a prudent approach, IMO.

Hey look someone with an actually thought out opinion. Wow. 

KK is an option but that’s gonna hurt the next few years. Badly. It may be better then trading someone away though.

I don’t think Hurney really wants to hurt the panthers,  I just think he’s incapable of being a productive GM. It’s not like this is unknown territory, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I would rather have not taken that chance. But we won’t really know till the cleats hit the field months from now. 

What I want to know is how close to cap hell are we this season.

 

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Hey look someone with an actually thought out opinion. Wow. 

KK is an option but that’s gonna hurt the next few years. Badly. It may be better then trading someone away though.

I don’t think Hurney really wants to hurt the panthers,  I just think he’s incapable of being a productive GM. It’s not like this is unknown territory, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I would rather have not taken that chance. But we won’t really know till the cleats hit the field months from now. 

What I want to know is how close to cap hell are we this season.

 

We are a very top heavy team, but at least the players making the big bucks here are good (when healthy).

 

Cam

Luke

KK

Trai

Olsen

Kalil

Kalil 2 (not so good)

TD

 

When you have a franchise QB, cap space comes at a premium.  When you have two of the highest paid LB's, one of the highest paid TE's, as well as Center, DT, OG, etc....not much room for error moving forward.

That said, we need to draft really well over the next two seasons, as we are about to lose some longtime players.

 

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

When you have a franchise QB, cap space comes at a premium.  When you have two of the highest paid LB's, one of the highest paid TE's, as well as Center, DT, OG, etc....not much room for error moving forward.

That said, we need to draft really well over the next two seasons, as we are about to lose some longtime players.

 

My point exactly, and when has Hurney ever drafted anyone decent outside the first round.

[heel31ok]

12 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

My point exactly, and when has Hurney ever drafted anyone decent outside the first round.

this will be his year... we will have a good draft and a good season...playoff bound...Norv Turner

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

this will be his year... we will have a good draft and a good season...playoff bound...Norv Turner

Still typing like your old man trump taught you I see. 

Dont count your chickens before they hatch.

[Cyberjag]

33 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Hey look someone with an actually thought out opinion. Wow. 

KK is an option but that’s gonna hurt the next few years. Badly. It may be better then trading someone away though.

I don’t think Hurney really wants to hurt the panthers,  I just think he’s incapable of being a productive GM. It’s not like this is unknown territory, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I would rather have not taken that chance. But we won’t really know till the cleats hit the field months from now. 

What I want to know is how close to cap hell are we this season.

 

Ok, well we're not in cap hell.  That's the point, right?  We *can* create a lot of space if needed, but there's nothing pressing enough to require us doing that.

Regarding Hurney, I think he's demonstrated that he's fully capable of being a productive GM.  He's also gone all in and screwed the future by getting into a stupid-reactive mode.  This time around feels a lot more like his early years in round one than his late years, and those were pretty good for the Panthers.

As far as drafting ability, he's had his share of good picks outside the first round.  He's absolutely average on hit rate (I once ran all the numbers because I have no life), except for in the first round where he's well above average.  That means you have every right to hope for a stud in round one, and between our three second day picks maybe we get a starter, a depth guy, and a dud.  In our day three picks, I would hope that maybe one works out.  If all that happens, we get four contributors out of eight picks, which is pretty much the NFL norm.

[thefuzz]

24 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

My point exactly, and when has Hurney ever drafted anyone decent outside the first round.

Kalil, Captain, Hardy, etc....there have been a few, but not many considering how long he was the GM.

At the end of the day, I expect Hurney will be exiting about the same time as JR.

[Black&BlueBubba]

I did read something the other day that I didn't know.  It seems that all comp picks are in play until after May 7th.  So I look for us not to do anything until after the draft to see what positions need to be looked at further.  After May 7th we can sign some if need be and it won't hurt the comp picks for next year. 

[Harbingers]

4 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

Regarding Hurney, I think he's demonstrated that he's fully capable of being a productive GM.  He's also gone all in and screwed the future by getting into a stupid-reactive mode.  This time around feels a lot more like his early years in round one than his late years, and those were pretty good for the Panthers.

It’s pretty clear he’s in stupid-reactive mode still, look at what he’s done so far. That corner with the foot laceration(can’t remember his name, sorry.) being the most prominent example. 

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

So, what would you have proposed we did during free agency? Absolutely nothing? You have to spend money, as this is not the cap olympics. It does us no good to sit on the money, while not improving the team. We tried that after the super bowl in 2016, and went 6-10.

Yes and no.  We rolled over 13m in 2017 because we did not spend it.  Had we kept the tag on Norman we would have in all likelihood rolled over $0.

Thanks to the money we rolled over, we were able to extend re-sign Addison, Short and Turner, and sign Peppers.

If you know you've got some big contracts coming up on some key players, rolling over some cap is a useful strategy.  People will argue letting Norman go crippled any possibility to go back to the Superb owl, but it was the crumbling offensive line that doomed us in 2016.

[heel31ok]

13 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Still typing like your old man trump taught you I see. 

Dont count your chickens before they hatch.

looking to have a good year...hate on that

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Kalil, Captain, Hardy, etc....there have been a few, but not many considering how long he was the GM.

At the end of the day, I expect Hurney will be exiting about the same time as JR.

That’s really all I ask for. Personally I don’t even want Rivera gone, unlike most of the Sky is falling people we saw the past 2 seasons. Just get rid of Hurney.