Determining Needs priorties through reverse argumentation

[TheSpecialJuan]

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, stbugs said:

Daniels could be someone we have to take at 24 if we want him. I’d have an extremely hard time thinking he could make it to 55.

I also hate the idea of a TE at 24. It’s a big bust rate position and it takes a while to get NFL ready. None of these guys are close IMHO to last year’s first rounders so it’s a big reach to me.

I’m sorry to say outside of Daniels I don’t like your draft at all. I see some meh guys who won’t contribute much if anything 2018 and 2019. 

You should be in luck then, I have a terrible history aligning my pick with the team picks. 

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

. I know people hate Matt, but after a really rough start, he showed some promise and I think if he starts where he finished, he could be good enough.

I agree, but he does not have Norwell beside him this year...scary.  Which is why we need a solid pick.

 

[AU-panther]

What our options if we don't draft a certain spot?

CB:  2018: Bradberry, Cockrell, and Elder      2019: Bradberry, Cockrell and Elder

G:    2018: Moton                                               2019: Moton

TE:  2018: Olsen and Manhertz                       2019: Manhertz and ?

C:    2018: Kalil and Larsen                             2019: Larsen and ?

LT:  2018: M Kalil                                               2019: Kalil?

S:    2018 Adams and Searcy                           2019: ? and Searcy

 

We rotate DEs so I think you have to heavily consider the 3rd and 4th 

DE: 2018 Peppers and Addison (Horton and Hall)      2019: Addison and Hall (? and ?)

WR: 2018 Funchess, Samuel, Smith, Wright, Byrd       2019: ?, Samuel, Smith, Wright. Byrd

RB:  2018 Cap and CMC                                                   2019: CMC and ?

 

If we draft a CB early do we waste Bradberr or Cockrell?  What if the rookie can't win the spot, did we waste the draft pick?  Even though I think there is some really good corners that could possible be there at 24.

If we draft a Guard early do we end up wasting Moton?  what if the rookie can't beat Moton out for the spot?

A TE would be a huge need next year if Olsen retires, also they could get considerable snaps this year in 2 TE sets.

C:  Might not play much this year but could be a huge need next.

LT:  Kalil struggled at times this year but with what is invested would be hard to sit on the bench this year.  Depending on how he plays this year could be a huge need next year.

S:  Seems like the biggest need this year and next

DE:  Could make due this year, next year more of a need

WR:  Could probably make due this year, more of a need next.  With that being said we could easily work a new guy into the rotation without wasting past resources.  Smith has no guaranteed money.  Funchess is a free agent next year.  Other guys are on cheap contracts.  Samuel was a high draft pick.  I really think we are looking for a young outside receiver. With a new GM probably less likely to worry about making past draft picks work.

RB:  If we draft a RB early are we wasting CMC?  Personnally I think we can take one later, between Cap, CMC and say a later round back we should be ok.

I would love to get to the point where we are drafting a year early to fill spots.  Seems like we have been very reactive the past few years instead of proactive.  (drafting 3 corners)

 

 

 

 

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

What our options if we don't draft a certain spot?

CB:  2018: Bradberry, Cockrell, and Elder      2019: Bradberry, Cockrell and Elder

G:    2018: Moton                                               2019: Moton

TE:  2018: Olsen and Manhertz                       2019: Manhertz and ?

C:    2018: Kalil and Lawson                             2019: Lawson and ?

LT:  2018: M Kalil                                               2019: Kalil?

S:    2018 Adams and Searcy                           2019: ? and Searcy

 

We rotate DEs so I think you have to heavily consider the 3rd and 4th 

DE: 2018 Peppers and Addison (Horton and Hall)      2019: Addison and Hall (? and ?)

WR: 2018 Funchess, Samuel, Smith, Wright, Byrd       2019: ?, Samuel, Smith, Wright. Byrd

RB:  2018 Cap and CMC                                                   2019: CMC and ?

 

If we draft a CB early do we waste Bradberr or Cockrell?  What if the rookie can't win the spot, did we waste the draft pick?  Even though I think there is some really good corners that could possible be there at 24.

If we draft a Guard early do we end up wasting Moton?  what if the rookie can't beat Moton out for the spot?

A TE would be a huge need next year if Olsen retires, also they could get considerable snaps this year in 2 TE sets.

C:  Might not play much this year but could be a huge need next.

LT:  Kalil struggled at times this year but with what is invested would be hard to sit on the bench this year.  Depending on how he plays this year could be a huge need next year.

S:  Seems like the biggest need this year and next

DE:  Could make due this year, next year more of a need

WR:  Could probably make due this year, more of a need next.  With that being said we could easily work a new guy into the rotation without wasting past resources.  Smith has no guaranteed money.  Funchess is a free agent next year.  Other guys are on cheap contracts.  Samuel was a high draft pick.  I really think we are looking for a young outside receiver. With a new GM probably less likely to worry about making past draft picks work.

RB:  If we draft a RB early are we wasting CMC?  Personnally I think we can take one later, between Cap, CMC and say a later round back we should be ok.

I would love to get to the point where we are drafting a year early to fill spots.  Seems like we have been very reactive the past few years instead of proactive.  (drafting 3 corners)

 

 

 

 

 

*Larsen, confused me for a second

We are definitely just going to have see how the draft shakes out and go BPA.

I don't see a Safety (no Reid's not a first round talent) or Defensive end falling to us at that point that would still be considered BPA. 

Seems too early to go RB, leaving me thinking it will most likely boil down to a versatile 0-lineman who can play multiple spot's or a WR/CB. 

If Ridley is not there, then I think the strongest odds of finding a BPA pick would come from  an 0-line position.

As for your wasting CMC question, he's so versatile I doubt the addition of another star or starting caliber RB would take away from his touches, plenty to go around with the departure of Stewart. If anyone would feel the effects of us adding a new RB, it would be CAP who would likely ride the pine again all year barring an injury. 

 

[AU-panther]

21 hours ago, panther4life said:

 

*Larsen, confused me for a second

We are definitely just going to have see how the draft shakes out and go BPA.

I don't see a Safety (no Reid's not a first round talent) or Defensive end falling to us at that point that would still be considered BPA. 

Seems too early to go RB, leaving me thinking it will most likely boil down to a versatile 0-lineman who can play multiple spot's or a WR/CB. 

If Ridley is not there, then I think the strongest odds of finding a BPA pick would come from  an 0-line position.

As for your wasting CMC question, he's so versatile I doubt the addition of another star or starting caliber RB would take away from his touches, plenty to go around with the departure of Stewart. If anyone would feel the effects of us adding a new RB, it would be CAP who would likely ride the pine again all year barring an injury. 

 

Maybe not wasting, but it doesn't seem the best use of resources to spend two first round picks on RBs in consecutive years.

I agree that safety and DE might not being BPA at the pick. 

I could see guard or CB being BPA at 24, just not sure those are our biggest needs or what our staff views as our biggest needs.  WR, C, TE, and RB(Guice) could also be high on our board when pick 24 comes around and we have strong needs for all of those.

[heel31ok]

10 hours ago, Marcogreenbush said:

Ok Sanjay 

Ok...

[TheSpecialJuan]

On 4/5/2018 at 9:41 AM, AU-panther said:

What our options if we don't draft a certain spot?

CB:  2018: Bradberry, Cockrell, and Elder      2019: Bradberry, Cockrell and Elder

G:    2018: Moton                                               2019: Moton

TE:  2018: Olsen and Manhertz                       2019: Manhertz and ?

C:    2018: Kalil and Larsen                             2019: Larsen and ?

LT:  2018: M Kalil                                               2019: Kalil?

S:    2018 Adams and Searcy                           2019: ? and Searcy

 

We rotate DEs so I think you have to heavily consider the 3rd and 4th 

DE: 2018 Peppers and Addison (Horton and Hall)      2019: Addison and Hall (? and ?)

WR: 2018 Funchess, Samuel, Smith, Wright, Byrd       2019: ?, Samuel, Smith, Wright. Byrd

RB:  2018 Cap and CMC                                                   2019: CMC and ?

 

If we draft a CB early do we waste Bradberr or Cockrell?  What if the rookie can't win the spot, did we waste the draft pick?  Even though I think there is some really good corners that could possible be there at 24.

If we draft a Guard early do we end up wasting Moton?  what if the rookie can't beat Moton out for the spot?

A TE would be a huge need next year if Olsen retires, also they could get considerable snaps this year in 2 TE sets.

C:  Might not play much this year but could be a huge need next.

LT:  Kalil struggled at times this year but with what is invested would be hard to sit on the bench this year.  Depending on how he plays this year could be a huge need next year.

S:  Seems like the biggest need this year and next

DE:  Could make due this year, next year more of a need

WR:  Could probably make due this year, more of a need next.  With that being said we could easily work a new guy into the rotation without wasting past resources.  Smith has no guaranteed money.  Funchess is a free agent next year.  Other guys are on cheap contracts.  Samuel was a high draft pick.  I really think we are looking for a young outside receiver. With a new GM probably less likely to worry about making past draft picks work.

RB:  If we draft a RB early are we wasting CMC?  Personnally I think we can take one later, between Cap, CMC and say a later round back we should be ok.

I would love to get to the point where we are drafting a year early to fill spots.  Seems like we have been very reactive the past few years instead of proactive.  (drafting 3 corners)

 

 

 

 

Good stuff

[MHS831]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:28 AM, stbugs said:

Love Norwell, but I think any of the top Gs or Moton can replace him. I don't think Norwell will come close to living up to that contract.

I think Moton will beast at LG....

[AU-panther]

14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think Moton will beast at LG....

What the coaches think of Moton and what we are going to expect out of our CBs (press vs man, blitz heavy vs bend and don't break) is going to go a long way in determining how we address this draft.

Without those two pieces of information its really impossible to guess what they will do or even what they should.