CAP will be power back according to Rivera

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Manther said:

Those stats list 3 fumbles,  2 were recovered.  In his limited play, its not impressive.  That is one fumble every 141 yards.

two were in same game ...

[Manther]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

I don't know what the heck you're looking at, but those stats list zero regular season fumbles and 1 post-season fumble.  Its really tricky because that stat is  listed under the header "FMB" (yeah, what were they thinking, right?).

If you are looking at the 2 listed under 2017 "Defense and Fumbles" under column FR, thats the number of fumbles RECOVERED by that player.

Only fumbles listed under the "FMB" column are fumbles for which the players has been assigned responsibility.  Hover your mouse over "FMB" and it tells you "Number of times fumbled both lost and recovered by own team. These represent ALL fumbles by the player on offense, defense, and special teams." And if you hover your mouse over "FR"  it says "Fumbles recovered by a player or team.  Original fumble by either team."

So your statement above is utter nonsense since, in total, CAP has only fumbled once (post-season) but has recovered two, so he has a net positive.

So when you posted here that he had a fumble, you meant 0?

Here's another thread mentioning his fumbles:

Some stats lie, and the stat that says Cameron Artis-Payne has 0 fumbles is a lie.

Look, Stew had his share of fumbles this season.  I don't mean beat the guy, and I hope he has a stellar season next year.  But he HAS FUMBLED.   I know that top stat says 0.   I know what I saw and based on posts by other people here, they have seen it too.  CAP is not fumble-free.

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, Manther said:

Some stats lie, and the stat that says Cameron Artis-Payne has 0 fumbles is a lie.

Look, Stew had his share of fumbles this season.  I don't mean beat the guy, and I hope he has a stellar season next year.  But he HAS FUMBLED.   I know that top stat says 0.   I know what I saw and based on posts by other people here, they have seen it too.  CAP is not fumble-free.

Well, the stats are NOT lying, you are just saying what you "feel" about a play and not what the statisticians KNOW about a play.

As I've explained to people who don't understand before (and who continue to refuse to understand after the explanation because of how they "feel"), any fumble that occurs during the hand-off/exchange during a read-option play is the responsibility of the QUARTERBACK, not the running back.  And that's what has been happening on those plays that you "feel" (because its a feeling and *not* a fact) that CAP fumbled.

The QB has to make the read.

The QB has to make the decision.

The QB is required to FIRMLY retain the ball in his possession until he makes that decision.

When the QB is slow in making that decision while simultaneously not retaining FIRM possession of the ball, disaster occurs.

And guess what?  IT. WAS. THE. QUARTERBACKS. FAULT.

So, again, you may "feel" differently about what I factually explained above, but that doesn't make you (or your stubborn cohorts ignorant in this matter) right.

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, heel31ok said:

two were in same game ...

One fumble.

1.

No matter how hard your dream-wishing wants to make it otherwise.

1.

(Zero in the regular season.)

I mean, I can lead you guys to the factual water and clearly explain to you, time and again, why that water is there and why its clean, but just because you refuse to drink it doesn't mean that the water doesn't exist.

[CPcavedweller]

Adrian Peterson is still out there, if you want a real power back. 

[Manther]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Well, the stats are NOT lying, you are just saying what you "feel" about a play and not what the statisticians KNOW about a play.

As I've explained to people who don't understand before (and who continue to refuse to understand after the explanation because of how they "feel"), any fumble that occurs during the hand-off/exchange during a read-option play is the responsibility of the QUARTERBACK, not the running back.  And that's what has been happening on those plays that you "feel" (because its a feeling and *not* a fact) that CAP fumbled.

The QB has to make the read.

The QB has to make the decision.

The QB is required to FIRMLY retain the ball in his possession until he makes that decision.

When the QB is slow in making that decision while simultaneously not retaining FIRM possession of the ball, disaster occurs.

And guess what?  IT. WAS. THE. QUARTERBACKS. FAULT.

So, again, you may "feel" differently about what I factually explained above, but that doesn't make you (or your stubborn cohorts ignorant in this matter) right.

I know you FEEL that the statisticians are right  but I KNOW you're wrong on this one.  There's a reason why the greatest coaches of this era dismiss stats... because of crap like this.

You realize, the more you argue with everybody that CAP  has no fumbles, the more this board is littered with people posting about CAP's fumbles.  I know you FEEL that you are helping his case, but I KNOW you're wrong.   

CAP has shown flashes and if he's the guy, then I'll be rooting for him.  But I don't care what the statisticians FEEL about hand-offs.  I know CAP has fumbled.

That all said...I truly appreciate your sig line.