Breaking down Cockrell as a Zone CB

[The Huddler]

2 hours ago, Panfan35 said:

 I think adding a top-tier running back is more important then a tight in at this moment and so combination of running back and corner is more Likely

 Dont think adding a RB is a priority at all, if i go by the defiition of a priority. 

 

Get a big pounder back mid to late to COMPLIMENT CMC

 

dont need a starter or even a guy guy to take on half the load

 

PERIOD!!

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I am OK with the CB tandem right now--but I would add one late (deep draft) to compete with Seymour.  I think Cockrell eliminated a need in the draft.  I was curious about your feelings about LG--not mentioned.

1. Justin Reid FS, Stanford.  I think we are in a position to trade back about 5 spots and still take Reid. I am assuming we would get a fourth to do so, so I am adding a 4th rounder below.

2. TE Mike Gesicki, Penn St.  Look at his production and combine numbers. 

3.  OL Tyrell Crosby, Oregon.  He was excellent at Oregon, allowing no sacks and no hits in 2017. Very athletic.  Only 6-4, so he could play tackle, guard, and might make a better Center.  In other words, he can play all positions on the line of scrimmage.  I would move Moton to LG and develop Crosby as depth while working him as a center for 2019.  And if Moton is not an option at LG, Crosby would be nice there. 

3. RB Kalen Ballage Arizona St.  6-2, 230 and runs a 4.46.  I suspect he can tote the rock between the tackles. 

4. (trade) Brandon Parker, OT NC A&T Needs a year to develop, but he has long arms, good footwork.  Impressed at Senior Bowl.  High character kid from good family (I know his dad very well). Local scouts predict he will start in the NFL.

5. Siran Neal, SS Jacksonville State.  A college CB that loves to tackle--projects to a S in the bigs.  Imagine a SS with some cover skills.  (Torn between Neal and Marcus Allen here, fwiw).

6. Isaac Yiadom, CB.  Big and ran good time at combine.  Had  a good senior season.

7s.  BPA

 

 

 

 

    That lines up pretty much to my way of thinking. So I could get on board with it. As a Big Ten guy, I like Gesicki. He killed MSU, so he has that going for him.

 

    All in all, I like your draft. Simple, fills all the holes. I am in.

[LinvilleGorge]

Ballage isn't a very good RB. I wouldn't want him until the late rounds if at all.

[Seoul_Panther]

15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The production at Penn St was there.  Not sure the Senior bowl provides enough chemistry between QB and TE/WR to judge either, but I see your point.

For sure its a knock on the SB as an assessment tool. Also a small sample size. I just want to see these guys showing their actual ability in a new set-up. Drafting on measureables Apke from Penn state would be R1-2 S. He will likely be 6-7 or UDFA. I read an article saying the fitness guy from Penn did an amazing job raising his guys draft profile.

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think we are looking for both a FS and SS--Searcy and Adams are not exactly cornerstones.  CB?  We are better.  Bradberry disappointed last year, but we should be in a better situation last year.  When you blitz nearly every down, you put zone CBs at a disadvantage.  Bradberry was usually locked on the #1 WR.  Tough sledding.

 

     Hey, if you want to throw a later round pick at a SS. Be my guest. As long as I get my FS off the top. If we are going to go FS, might as well get the best on on the board. It is too important of a position not to.

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ballage isn't a very good RB. I wouldn't want him until the late rounds if at all.

I did not see him play (West coast).  the measurables were incredible.  I think we will end up with Penny.

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

     Hey, if you want to throw a later round pick at a SS. Be my guest. As long as I get my FS off the top. If we are going to go FS, might as well get the best on on the board. It is too important of a position not to.

If we draft a FS first round, do you let Adams and Searcy fight it out for SS? 

[MHS831]

I have the inside (subjective) scoop on Parker.  Brandon used to play with my son as children. His father and I coached together in Stanly County (along with Dwight Hollier--UNC and Miami Dolphin LB).  Dad played at UNC and the Pittsburgh Steelers for a cup of coffee.  Brandon's mom is probably 6-2.  Great family.  Dad is a minister and they are all well educated, humble, and extremely nice.

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

If we draft a FS first round, do you let Adams and Searcy fight it out for SS? 

 

    Let them fight it out. The best guy starts. Rivera likes to rotate when he can, so they both will probably get lots of looks. I mean, as long as they can produce that is.

 

    I do have qualms about a Rookie starting at FS. Which is why I want one off the top. If you get one of the better ones, you have a better chance the kid can hold down the fort. And...we have Adams, and Searcy to help mold him.

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I did not see him play (West coast).  the measurables were incredible.  I think we will end up with Penny.

He couldn't even hold down the starting RB position at Arizona State over a guy that has virtually no chance of being drafted. 

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I'm sorry. But this is not the year to throw high draft picks at the lines. You can get quality G play almost anywhere in the draft. Plus we have other options as well. 

 

    We need skill position players, especially at DB. You can probably throw in TE, and RB. When you need athletes as badly as we do. You have to get them higher in the draft.

 

    Now, if Hurndog happens to bring in a FS that can solidify our backfield. Then you can have your guard. Otherwise, you are going to have to get him later in the draft. 

 

    In most years, I would be with you. This just happens to be one of those years that bucks the trend.

 

    

In general, I would agree with you.  But if there is a player there who would be an immediate impact starter on your line (like Hernandez or Wynn), you pick'em.

Remember that this is Ron "we'll win by running the ball like its still the 1970's and no rules have changed" Rivera.  Any other coach with a 21st Century point of view, you'd be 100% spot on.

Ron Rivera is NOT that coach.

[tiger7_88]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He couldn't even hold down the starting RB position at Arizona State over a guy that has virtually no chance of being drafted. 

Picking a RB who isn't a direct up-grade on CAP is a waste of a draft pick anyway.

Barkley, Guice, Michel, Chubb, *maybe* Freeman or Jones (but I wouldn't guarantee it).  

After that, you're only picking for depth or maybe a practice squad player, since Rivera has a man-love relationship with Fozzie.

[trucpfan]

3 hours ago, rodeo said:

the #4 CB in the worst secondary in the NFL is good enough to be #2 for us. that's really something

But you know what they say which I Firmly believe it's all about your FIT/SCHEME. We thought Nick Foles and Case K were not starting material a new team new scheme year later they may both start (if Nicks finally traded draft night) different teams in 2018. 

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

If we draft a FS first round, do you let Adams and Searcy fight it out for SS? 

That's what I hope for I liked Mikes contributions last year but a slight upgrade at SS would be money. He let passes get caught basically with him being in position often but not making a dam play on the ball not gonna cut it. The pickup upgrades our team if we sub for Searcy instead of Collin J I think the team would appreciate that as well he's a mismatch.

56 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Picking a RB who isn't a direct up-grade on CAP is a waste of a draft pick anyway.

Barkley, Guice, Michel, Chubb, *maybe* Freeman or Jones (but I wouldn't guarantee it).  

After that, you're only picking for depth or maybe a practice squad player, since Rivera has a man-love relationship with Fozzie.

That's how I feel Ron loves the vets but this seems like a give me the keys Ron and I'll get us there. Norv came back probably to run everything about the Offense brought all his cousins, sons, and in laws. We give him the tools let him get the players he needs and step back out the way. With that said Norv probably plays Rashad P over Cap even if they're close in comparisons by the start of the season.

[Seoul_Panther]

46 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

That's what I hope for I liked Mikes contributions last year but a slight upgrade at SS would be money. He let passes get caught basically with him being in position often but not making a dam play on the ball not gonna cut it. 

 I realise that you give Adams some credit in your post, but not enough i think. Watch the Minnesota game again. Adams made a critical tip to save a sure TD and force a FG. In the Atlanta game he made an epic flying tackle on Julio Jones that left him on the floor for a few seconds and forced an incomplete pass. My favourite tackle of the season. He was as good as anyone in the secondary but that narrative doesn't fit the huddle narrative. He was making plays as well as gìving them up.