Realistic Draft Tiers for Panthers at 24

[Verge]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Dont think the blocking was to much of a concern.   

The injuries really scared people.  A guy missing his entire last season with Back surgery will make a few teams nervous taking him

He was more of a raw blocker iirc. Injuries and lack of top end speed/YAC hurt.

[ncfan]

7 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Another name I would throw into tier 3 maybe tier 2 even is Josh Sweat FSU DE. 

Two reasons: young talent at DE is a huge need obviously. Second, this guy has great measurables. Someone will take him higher than his college production based on potential. 

I dont think he'll be in consideration in the 1st.  But a real option in the 2nd.  Dude is a pure edge rusher that unfortunately has been wasted playing inside as a 3-4 DE, those OL taking advantage of his twig frame.  Outside at 4-3 egde DE he can use that athletic speed and length to his advantage.  Playing inside in college may help him as well knowing some moves cutting inside

[Ace_Aladdin]

27 minutes ago, Verge said:

I knew he was going in the first round lol
Overall grades still apply, if they don't fit your scheme, you either wipe them from your board, or accept having to try and adapt them. A prospect who doesn't fit your scheme but can adjust still beats out a prospect that does fit your scheme, but has a lower grade. It's about value my dude. 

No you didn’t lol, and most huddlers don’t know who is really tier 1 on Panthers board the OP  just used generalized analysis to make that list up sort of  like Mel Kiperish mocks.

 

Again most huddlers have the DG syndrome: pick players based on position name  rather than actual talent they posses.

Another factor huddlers are also ignoring is the term called force multiplier: ability to raise the games of fellow teammates with complimentary skill set. 

[Verge]

1 minute ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

No you didn’t lol, and most huddlers don’t know who is really tier 1 on Panthers board the OP  just used generalized analysis to make that list up sort of  like Mel Kiperish mocks.

 

Again most huddlers have the DG syndrome: pick players based on position name  rather than actual talent they posses.

Another factor huddlers are also ignoring is the term called force multiplier: ability to raise the games of fellow teammates with complimentary skill set. 

I absolutely knew, and posted on this board that he was going in the first round. 

Grade > Need. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

35 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Dont think the blocking was to much of a concern.   

The injuries really scared people.  A guy missing his entire last season with Back surgery will make a few teams nervous taking him

Well DG did pick Butler over Hunter Henry just cause he was a DT and Hunter Henry had TE besides his name so he couldn’t be a 1st round pick.

I beleive during that season Cam gets beaten to death with few concussion and thing called a shoulder surgery due terrible protection by OTs and no offensive weapons. 

Only if had a TE that could have helped block Von Miller and other nasty edge rushers while giving him a target to throw balls to & maybe the season would have gone somewhat  differently.

TEs impact all phases of the offensive game while WR only impact 1/2 of it.

TEs > WRs  

end of rant lol 

[Verge]

Just now, Ace_Aladdin said:

Well DG did pick Butler over Hunter Henry just cause he was a DT and Hunter Henry had TE besides his name so he couldn’t be a 1st round pick.

I beleive during that season Cam gets beaten to death with few concussion and thing called a shoulder surgery due terrible protection by OTs and no offensive weapons. 

Only if had a TE that could have helped block Von Miller and other nasty edge rushers while give him target to throw balls to maybe the season would have gone differently.

TEs impact all phases of offensive games while WR only impact 1/2 of it.

TEs > WRs  

end of rant lol 

Butler had a higher grade than Henry. Butler actually fell to us, and had a much higher grade than Henry. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 minutes ago, Verge said:

I absolutely knew, and posted on this board that he was going in the first round. 

Grade > Need. 

Skill set, Scheme & Need = Grades or BPA 

Huddlers uses general analysis as the Grade.

[Ace_Aladdin]

6 minutes ago, Verge said:

Butler had a higher grade than Henry. Butler actually fell to us, and had a much higher grade than Henry. 

No DG put the higher grade on Butler because he was DT instead of his actual skill set and what he brings to Panther and how he complements surrounding players cause you know football is a team game.

I said Hunter Henry was the better prospect and should be drafted over him and looking forward  several season I was right in that scenario.

 

BTW you could ask CAM about  2016 season when all those concussions and shoulder surgery that Vernon Butler helped prevent ,cause  a TE like Henry wouldn’t have helped in that scenario?

Once again huddlers are following the same DG philosophy.

 

 

[Ace_Aladdin]

9 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Skill set, Scheme & Need = Grades or BPA 

 

Another factor huddlers are also ignoring is the term called force multiplier: ability to raise the games of fellow teammates with complimentary

 

@Verge

[Shocker]

18 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

No you didn’t lol, and most huddlers don’t know who is really tier 1 on Panthers board the OP  just used generalized analysis to make that list up sort of  like Mel Kiperish mocks.

 

Again most huddlers have the DG syndrome: pick players based on position name  rather than actual talent they posses.

Another factor huddlers are also ignoring is the term called force multiplier: ability to raise the games of fellow teammates with complimentary skill set. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

So can you recap 2016 season & specifically what happened  to the franchise QB that affected the 2017 season? 

 

[Hoenheim]

I wouldnt mind getting Guice in R1 if we traded down a few spots and obtained an extra pick for it

[Ace_Aladdin]

@Shocker

[Ace_Aladdin]