Realistic Draft Tiers for Panthers at 24

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Moton played well at OT in pre season last year. I know its not saying much but he showed his potential whenever on field. Now he has also had a full nfl off season to work on his flaws. I just think he deserves an opportunity. I think sending a message that kalil is fine whatever happens is just piss poor coaching and a disservice to Cam.

I agree. Play the best football players, contracts be damned. We did it last year when we buried Captain on the bench despite handing him a very nice contract for a nickel corner. If Moton is better than Kalil, then play him. Those contracts are sunk costs. They shouldn't be a factor in determining playing time.

[The Huddler]

RB is not a need. If you think it is i dont think you know your ass from your elbow

 

speaking to anyone in general

 

not a top 3 round need. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

RB is not a need. If you think it is i dont think you know your ass from your elbow

 

speaking to anyone in general

 

not a top 3 round need. 

I think it's a need but definitely not a pressing need. I don't to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB though I must admit that if Sony Michel was there in the 2nd he'd be hard to pass up. Always depends on exactly who is available.

[The Huddler]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's a need but definitely not a pressing need. I don't to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB though I must admit that if Sony Michel was there in the 2nd he'd be hard to pass up. Always depends on exactly who is available.

I just cant conceive why anyone would give up on CMC yet considering the circumstances. 

 

It blows my mind

 

draft a big complimentary back late barring a really talented back slipping and we take him bpa

 

CMC is and should be given the opportunity to be our every down back

[TheSpecialJuan]

I'm really feeling my boy William Hernandez

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

I just cant conceive why anyone would give up on CMC yet considering the circumstances. 

 

It blows my mind

 

draft a big complimentary back late barring a really talented back slipping and we take him bpa

 

CMC is and should be given the opportunity to be our every down back

I agree. But look at the Sainta last year with Ingram and Kamara. I wouldn't mind having that.

[CPF4LIFE]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I agree. But look at the Sainta last year with Ingram and Kamara. I wouldn't mind having that.

Saints got Kamara in the third, that was after drafting 2 picks in the first round and drafting a second round pick. So technically he was their 4 selection of the draft as a complimentary back. Thats where i would hope we would start looking. I dont want to start considering till at least the third round. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Saints got Kamara in the third, that was AFTER drafting 2 picks in the first round and drafting a second round pick. So technically he was there 4 selection of the draft as a complimentary back. Thats where i would hope we would start looking. I dont want to start considering till at least the third round. 

Look at my post a little higher up this page. I don't want a 1st or 2nd round RB either, thought Michel would be tough to pass on in the 2nd.

[GoobyPls]

Avoid Sam Hubbard at all cost

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Avoid Sam Hubbard at all cost

Would be curious to know what we think of him. I imagine opinions on him are going to vary wildly from team to team.

[Seoul_Panther]

47 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

I just cant conceive why anyone would give up on CMC yet considering the circumstances. 

 

It blows my mind

 

draft a big conplimentary back late barring a really talented back slipping and we take him bpa

 

CMC is and should be given the opportunity to be our every down back

 I agree that he should be given the opportunity not because I think he will excel but because otherwise what was the point in drafting him? We now have numerous slot alternatives so if they don't see him there and they don't like him at RB then i don't get it.

 Same with Moton at LT and G.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Cb is a more premier position in the leauge, having a good on corner on a rookie contract is great in today’s leauge, main reason I wanted lattimore last year. Same thing this year, if a top cb slides, draft him and grab the best s or og in round 2, follow up by the best te and rb in round 3.

again this is if any top wideouts done slide 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I said a while back i think there should be a open competition for the LT spot. If moton shows he can play he should start over Kalil, i dont care what he is being paid. We already know kalil was never worth the money he was given so why guarantee him spot? 

At the end of the day the staff MUST have some sort plan for moton though. I cant see the stupidity in wasting a second round pick on a strictly reserve OL. 

Yes.  That should always be the case.  If you are better, you play.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

As the draft nears closer, combine results are digested and pro-days are off-and-running, I think a clearer picture of potential players is coming into focus for us. I've broken down 3 tiers of prospects for our selection at 24.....

1 - Players that fill a need/want but won't last until 24

2 - Players that fill a need/want and are slotted to go in our range

3 - Players that fill a need/want but might be a bit early to select at 24

Obviously drafting Chubb, Barkley or James would be ideal, but it ain't happening. So I've tried to compile a group that crosses off need, while meshing value and BPA if possible. I think these 10 players will be realistically in play and barring an amazing trade up for Derwin James, I think these are the 10 guys that make the most sense.

Here we go:

TIER 1 - PLAYERS THAT FILL NEED BUT WON'T LAST UNTIL 24

• Calvin Ridley WR - Best WR in the draft (arguably) and would be the exact type of WR needed to complete our corps. Not the fastest or youngest, but all around, he is a stud that was underutilized at Alabama and shows up on tape. Probably goes to BAL or SEA...and maybe even LAR to replace Watkins.
• Darius Guice  RB - A devastating runner that would be a perfect compliment to CMC and give Cam a 3-down back to keep the QB from being the team's top rusher. Punishing, quick and the kind of RB that teams can build an offense around. Might be hard to justify after getting CMC last year.
• Harold Landry DE - I think he is this year's version of Derrick Barnett. On paper, he doesn't have ideal height, but his long arms and super-athletic style of play make him a beast off the edge. He is a pure edge rushing machine that would fill a long-term need after Peppers retires, and an aging Addison that will slow down. 

 

TIER 2 - PLAYERS THAT FILL NEED IN OUR RANGE AT 24

• Will Hernandez LG - One of two guys that I think are likely to be our selection. Never a sexy pick, but this OG is a destructive IOL that is a day 1 starter and has All-Pro guard written all over his future. The dropoff from Norwell to him will be almost non-existent and on a much cheaper deal. Cam needs protection with Ryan retiring after 2018 and who the hell knows about Matt at LT.
• Justin Reid FS - The "other" guy that I think makes the most sense for us at 24. We've ignored a top pick at the SAF position forever and getting a player like Reid would be a huge get for our secondary. He is everything you want in your FS - athletic, ballhawk, tackler, versatile to line up all over and very intelligent. 
• Isaiah Wynn LG - Arguably as talented as Hernandez and was a stalwart on the UGA offensive line. Capable of playing all over the OL, Wynn would give us a nasty LG capable of being a cornerstone at the position for a long time.
• Billy Price C/G - Some may not want him at 24 due to the injury he suffered at the combine, but Price is a helluva player. Mean and versatile he would give us a great Norwell replacement, but also step in and be Ryan Kalil's heir to the C throne after 2018. He's from a great program that has churned out OL talent and the injury should not affect his training camp play.
• D.J. Moore WR - I might be in the minority, but I feel like there are only 2 first-round eligible WRs in this class, and Moore is the other to Calvin Ridley. Others like Sutton or Washington, but D.J. Moore would be an amazing get for our offense and give us a Smitty/Diggs clone. I don't think the Panthers are looking to add a WR in R1, but if they are Moore would look spectacular connecting with Newton. 

 

TIER 3 - PLAYERS THAT FILL A NEED BUT MIGHT BE TOO EARLY OF A SELECTION AT 24

• Sam Hubbard DE - A very talented edge rusher that would rotate well this year and eventually be our every-down DE. Hubbard looks the part and had a lot of respectful comparisons to Joey Bosa from some experts. He looks like a later first round/early day two pick, and it might not present the value that we need if others are on the board. The player isn't the problem, it's the value of going at 24.
• Sonny Michel RB - Again, I'm in the minority here I think as having Michel as the third-best back as most others like Jones. However, Michel is a complete RB capable of being the number one rusher in Carolina and a dangerous duo with CMC. Chubb is nice, but Michel was the better UGA back, IMO. Probably a bit early at 24, and with us taking CMC top-10 last year. 

 

Gun to my head, I think it comes down to Hernandez or Reid at 24. There are other good talents at both LG and SAF later in the draft, so it's not like either position can't be filled later on. Both would come in and start day one. I'd lean Hernandez right now and come back with Deshon Elliott or Marcus Allen later in the draft, but either selection at 24 would drastically improve a weakness.

Lol the fact that he went to typical overhyped position disqualifies half of the post.

 

There are 2-3 TEs that should be in tier one.