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[Shocker]

Apparently we reached out to Delvin Breaux but he has a lenghy injury history, but desperation time now.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Apparently we reached out to Delvin Breaux but he has a lenghy injury history, but desperation time now.

He's already got something like three other visits lined up, including one with the Patriots.

[Eazy-E]

After doing some research today on NFL physicals, it turns out a player must pass a physical before signing a contract. A team isn't allowed to bypass it or anything like that. It has to do with medical coverage, insurance, liability, and other legal poo. Makes perfect sense. If Breeland signed the contract with his injury the Panthers would be liable for his coverage. I don't know specifics of NFL medical care but I assume he would have to report to our doctors and follow our medical guidelines etc etc. 

The real question now is if we sign him once he is healthy can pass the team physical. Maybe the team is turned off by the fact that he didn't disclosed the injury prior to agreeing to the contract. It could have been his agent relayed the info and Breeland never made his agent aware of the injury.

If everyone is still on good terms I think it is highly likely he signs again once healthy.

[Shocker]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's already got something like three other visits lined up, including one with the Patriots.

Yeah noticed the Pats one...if he was signed he should be pretty cheap, but yeah...gotta get him here first.

[Seltzer]

6 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

After doing some research today on NFL physicals, it turns out a player must pass a physical to to before signing a contract. A team isn't allowed to bypass it or anything like that. It has to do with medical coverage, insurance, liability, and other legal poo. Makes perfect sense. If Breeland signed the contract with his injury the Panthers would be liable for his coverage. I don't know specifics of NFL medical care but I assume he would have to report to our doctors and follow our medical guidelines etc etc. 

The real question now is if we sign him once he is healthy can can pass the team physical. Maybe the team is turned off by the fact that he didn't disclosed the injury prior to agreeing to the contract. It could have been his agent relayed the info and Breeland never made his agent aware of the injury.

If everyone is still on good terms I think it is highly likely he signs again once healthy.

Good point. However, I do wonder if Hurney doesn't lower the offer price later since he won't be able to pass a physical for quite a while given that skin grafts take time to heal and sometimes require multiple applications.

Intentional or not, Breeland has affected how the team has to proceed with the rest of free agency and the draft, and additionally he won't have the same leverage to get paid in May or June that he does now.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

Good point. However, I do wonder if Hurney doesn't lower the offer price later since he won't be able to pass a physical for quite a while given that skin grafts take time to heal and sometimes require multiple applications.

Intentional or not, Breeland has affected how the team has to proceed with the rest of free agency and the draft, and additionally he won't have the same leverage to get paid in May or June that he does now.

That's actually another reason why I question whether he'd come back here. We probably will offer less money.

Other teams will too of course, but if there's somebody who's willing to sign him right now even with the injury, I suspect he'll choose that over waiting for us.

Team doctors don't all necessarily go by the same standards.

[steven8989]

Looks like Peppers should have retired.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

After doing some research today on NFL physicals, it turns out a player must pass a physical before signing a contract. A team isn't allowed to bypass it or anything like that. It has to do with medical coverage, insurance, liability, and other legal poo. Makes perfect sense. If Breeland signed the contract with his injury the Panthers would be liable for his coverage. I don't know specifics of NFL medical care but I assume he would have to report to our doctors and follow our medical guidelines etc etc. 

The real question now is if we sign him once he is healthy can pass the team physical. Maybe the team is turned off by the fact that he didn't disclosed the injury prior to agreeing to the contract. It could have been his agent relayed the info and Breeland never made his agent aware of the injury.

If everyone is still on good terms I think it is highly likely he signs again once healthy.

I can't imagine we're too happy with him right now. I have to think that he and/or his agent withheld or downplayed this injury. I thought it was a little odd when he didn't sign on Wednesday but didn't think too much of it. Now we know why he was slow playing the actual signing of the contract. That dude knew he wasn't passing the physical.

[boney]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's actually another reason why I question whether he'd come back here. We probably will offer less money.

Other teams will too of course, but if there's somebody who's willing to sign him right now even with the injury, I suspect he'll choose that over waiting for us.

Team doctors don't all necessarily go by the same standards.

He also tweeted something along the lines of how he learned a lesson about his "value" from this whole ordeal. Wonder if he was starting to have doubts about taking such a team friendly deal.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, boney said:

He also tweeted something along the lines of how he learned a lesson about his "value" from this whole ordeal. Wonder if he was starting to have doubts about taking such a team friendly deal.

I very seriously doubt it. He probably intends to try use our offer as the starting point for future negotiations. We'll see how that goes for him.

[Eazy-E]

11 minutes ago, boney said:

He also tweeted something along the lines of how he learned a lesson about his "value" from this whole ordeal. Wonder if he was starting to have doubts about taking such a team friendly deal.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he just cost him self a significant amount of money. Like others have said, I doubt he gets as large of a contract now that this has happened.

Edit: Also the fact that he signed so early probably means he wanted to play for the Panthers. He agreed to terms before free agency even started. He easily could have looked at what we had to offer and went on more visits to test his market. 

[Bartin]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't honestly remember a prior circumstance where a free agent who failed a physical with a team still ended up with that same team later on. Couldn't definitively say that it's never happened, but if it has, I don't remember it.

What they tend to do is go somewhere else hoping that a different set of team doctors will pass them where the first team didn't. And yes, it happens. So my sense is that he'll end up somewhere else, but you never know.

Bottom line: Yes he could still end up here, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Mark Dominik was on the radio today talking about failed physicals in regard to Ryan Grant and mentioned that there were cases of it happening. The player would sign for less or with some additional injury protections. Can’t remember the example he listed though. Would have a paid a lot more attention if I knew it was going to happen to us!

EDIT: found it. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2004-03-13/sports/0403120763_1_dolphins-contract-ankle

Damion McIntosh in 2004.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, boney said:

He also tweeted something along the lines of how he learned a lesson about his "value" from this whole ordeal. Wonder if he was starting to have doubts about taking such a team friendly deal.

Missed that. Yeah, that's not a good sign.

It is possible that if he saw this as no big deal but the team saw it as a reason not to sign him, he could take it personally.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I think it has more to do with the fact that he just cost him self a significant amount of money. Like others have said, I doubt he gets as large of a contract now that this has happened.

I'm not so sure he'll see it as costing himself money.