Fuel for the "Crabtree trade" fire

[LinvilleGorge]

Hurney should be fired on the spot if he even mentions the possibility of restructuring Short and converting salary money in that massive contract to bonus money that would greatly reduce our potential future cap flexibility.

[panther4life]

Just now, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

It'd be better to restructure Kalil. His play has not amounted to 9.9M. Can't some of that be converted to a bonus so that it doesn't count towards the cap? Instead of restructuring Cam's contract, extend him and stretch out the money, if possible. 

We can, Correy Joel had a breakdown of how to do it. Save 3.9 this year, create dead money of 3.9 next year.

Essentially just borrowing against next years cap.

[LordOfDaWingz]

14 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Sign him and Mathieu 

Cut Kalil and shepard

Roll with Larsen and Draft a center

Profit

And Mike Adams, why is he even still on the roster?

[joeyxfresco]

Just now, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

It'd be better to restructure Kalil. His play has not amounted to 9.9M. Can't some of that be converted to a bonus so that it doesn't count towards the cap? Instead of restructuring Cam's contract, extend him and stretch out the money, if possible. 

Kalil is done after this year so it wouldn’t make any sense. We would just be adding dead money to the cap next year 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

It'd be better to restructure Kalil. His play has not amounted to 9.9M. Can't some of that be converted to a bonus so that it doesn't count towards the cap?

NO!!! "Restructuring" takes non-guaranteed salary money and converts it to guaranteed bonus money. It's advantageous to the player because it creates more guaranteed money for them. It's advantageous to the team because it allows that bonus money to be spread out across the remaining years of the contract. The HUGE drawback is that now you've pushed guaranteed money into future years creating a lot more dead cap money if the player is released. You're essentially marrying yourself to that player and if he declines or just mails it in, well you're screwed.

[Mr. Scot]

Not sure where we stand capwise but regardless, before knowing whether we could make this move we'd need to know whether we're gonna sign Luke Willson and for how much.

If you had to make a choice between those two options, which would you take?

[Riv]

13 minutes ago, Mills said:

Make them take back Fozzy or another minor cap hit along with the pick to soften the blow

Like Worley?

 

Oh wait....

[TheCasillas]

Why haven't we discussed trading Munnerlyn? Raiders need corners.....

[Mage]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Please no. Restructures played a huge role in Hurney tanking our cap the last go round.

I agree with you that I don't want to see us start to rely on restructuring contracts.  However, it isn't always a bad thing.  It wasn't necessarily that we were restructuring and back-loading contracts the first go round; it was who we were restructuring and back-loading.  

IIRC, James Anderson was one of those guys.  I wouldn't have a problem with restructuring Cam and Luke - they are worth the future cap hit.  It's when you start doing that to guys like (for example, if we were to do it with him) Shaq Thompson it becomes a problem.

[Captain Obvious]

Is he worth pursuing too? If Kalil is cut.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

I agree with you that I don't want to see us start to rely on restructuring contracts.  However, it isn't always a bad thing.  It wasn't necessarily that we were restructuring and back-loading contracts the first go round; it was who we were restructuring and back-loading.  

IIRC, James Anderson was one of those guys.  I wouldn't have a problem with restructuring Cam and Luke - they are worth the future cap hit.  It's when you start doing that to guys like (for example, if we were to do it with him) Shaq Thompson it becomes a problem.

I think Short is one of those guys who you don't touch if only due to age. He'll turn 30 this season. And we'd be pushing guaranteed money down the road until he was 33 years old. That feels dangerous to me.

[uncfan888]

Just now, Captain Obvious said:

Is he worth pursuing too? If Kalil is cut.

Guy I work with is a huge dolphin fan and said he was their best lineman. 

[joeyxfresco]

1 minute ago, Captain Obvious said:

Is he worth pursuing too? If Kalil is cut.

No Miami fans were already getting sour on him and he hasn't been able to stay healthy

[LinvilleGorge]

Is there any reputable sources hinting that we're even interested in Crabtree? I don't doubt that the Raiders will try to trade him if they sign Nelson, it's just that there's 30 other teams out there who could potentially be interested as well.