Why is it like this with Every. Single. FA Player we discuss?

[ellis]

Not a huge Hurney fan, but he did make some solid moves in 2003, 2005, 2008. He does get credit for two NFC Title appearances and two NFCS titles.

He did lose his friggin mind after 2008, but hey, maybe he learned. Or not. We’ll see. 

Gettleman did good things too. Why this is an obsession around here is beyond me. 

[Car123]

Just now, je1005 said:

Not a huge Hurney fan, but he did make some solid moves in 2003, 2005, 2008. He does get credit for two NFC Title appearances and two NFCS titles.

He did lose his friggin mind after 2008, but hey, maybe he learned. Or not. We’ll see. 

Gettleman did good things too. Why this is an obsession around here is beyond me. 

THIS. He wasn’t always a terrible GM. It’s like people started watching football after 2008.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Hotsauce said:

Can you say Haruki Nakamura?

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He also blocks. We had two return touchdowns this past year. 

He does the dirty work man. Sometimes that doesn't show up in the stat line. 

Lol, Shepard wasn’t in the game on those touchdowns.

[ellis]

Gettleman was exactly what we needed, when we got it. A reformer who got the house in order. I applaud that. 

He didn’t draft particularly well, overall. He did manage to find some good undrafted/waiver wire contributors. Then again, Rivera needs some credit too for putting guys like Norwell, Philly Brown, Remmers (for a minute), Palardy in a position to contribute. Fox RARELY did this. 

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, je1005 said:

Gettleman was exactly what we needed, when we got it. A reformer who got the house in order. I applaud that. 

He didn’t draft particularly well, overall. He did manage to find some good undrafted/waiver wire contributors. Then again, Rivera needs some credit too for putting guys like Norwell, Philly Brown, Remmers (for a minute), Palardy in a position to contribute. Fox RARELY did this. 

Agreed.

[Ricky Spanish]

5 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Lol, Shepard wasn’t in the game on those touchdowns.

Damn, you're right I thought he was but he wasn't. I retract my statement. 

[ellis]

I actually didn’t disagree with letting Steve Smith go after 2013. Smitty and Cam were a couple alpha dogs who just weren’t ever going to mesh. It was tense, their energy. I’m certain the fallout would have been bad, eventually. Sad that the dynamics worked that way, but it was what it was.

Failing to secure Josh Norman for 2016 was atrocious, and doing it the way it was done was pure amateur hour. 

The Matt Kalil signing was just insane. Everybody knew it, and it played out as such. How we got 11 wins is a testament to Cam. 

Hurney seems almost obsessed with correcting his legacy as a reckless draft-day guy, and sure seems publicly determined not to overspend on past performance. If he learned from these errors, he may end up doing well. 

Then again, you could’ve always hire Lake Dawson and probably come out with a very solid, steady GM for the future. 

Oh. Well. I don’t make those decisions.

Speaking of, who is making those decisions?

Fascinating times. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

You can also say Dave left a out with Matt Kalil that Hurney slammed shut. 

People who understood the contract in all its implications understand that we were basically hamstrung with Kalil for three seasons.  That "out" was not really an out at all considering that we'd have been fuged royally this offseason if it hadn't been converted.  And we would have still been paying him in 2019, so we may as well let him earn his pay. 

[Snake]

15 minutes ago, top dawg said:

People who understood the contract in all its implications understand that we were basically hamstrung with Kalil for three seasons.  That "out" was not really an out at all considering that we'd have been fuged royally this offseason if it hadn't been converted.  And we would have still been paying him in 2019, so we may as well let him earn his pay. 

Or you could just be trying to find a way to make Hurney look good. Fact: It was a out. Another Fact: Hurney saved no money by closing the out. It was a JR good favor move. 

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Snake said:

Or you could just be trying to find a way to make Hurney look good. Fact: It was a out. Another Fact: Hurney saved no money by closing the out. It was a JR good favor move. 

Or,  you could be blaming the wrong GM for fuging us over with Matt Turnstile Kalil. 

[Hotsauce]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Can you say Haruki Nakamura?

 

[Khyber53]

Look, not every free agent pick-up is good, not every free agent pick up is a disaster. It is always a mixed bag, no matter how much a GM tries to shield themselves from it. 

Hurney's biggest failing was that he tended to overpay for guys who were good, and sometimes would backload contracts for young players (both DWill and JStew for example) that would end up biting you in the butt because the guys were still serviceable and playing when the big bucks came due.

But don't say he didn't get some quality free agents, real diamonds out of the coal bins. He inherited a team with nothing and helped to turn it around quick. Some great first round draft picks (later round ones are a guess for anyone, really) and he brought in free agents like Jake Delhomme and Stephen Davis to create a Superb Owl team. 

Gettleman did pretty much the same, but he was playing with a team pretty much built by Hurney from the start. He made some good additions, he made some tough cuts, and he made some mistakes as well. 

Hopefully Hurney has learned from past mistakes and can correct some of his bad tendencies. We're stuck with him this year, at the least, so let's hope he kept some of the good tendencies as well. He's got good stuff to work with.

[Cpt slay a ho]

they both sucked in there first go around here, trying to debate one was better than the other is asinine, they both got fired for doing poor jobs