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Giants control the draft?

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Long time Brown's reporter Tony Grossi has been arguing vehemently against them taking Barkley. He believes the Browns absolutely must get the right quarterback first because they've screwed it up far too many years in a row..

He may have a point.

He absolutely has a point. I firmly believe they identified Mitch as their guy last year, but they tried to get cute and thought they'd easily move back up to get him. If they take Barkley - and Kumara and Hunt are just the most recent reasons on why you don't need to take a RB that high - someone will move up to three to get the best QB available and they could miss out on their preferred QB again. 

If you need a QB desperately and you identify which guy you like most in a draft... YOU TAKE HIM. 

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20 minutes ago, dldove77 said:

He absolutely has a point. I firmly believe they identified Mitch as their guy last year, but they tried to get cute and thought they'd easily move back up to get him. If they take Barkley - and Kumara and Hunt are just the most recent reasons on why you don't need to take a RB that high - someone will move up to three to get the best QB available and they could miss out on their preferred QB again. 

If you need a QB desperately and you identify which guy you like most in a draft... YOU TAKE HIM. 

That is the argument for when folks think you shouldn't take a guy at a certain spot because he was projected lower, the smart thing if you want him and don't think there is anyone comparable lower in the draft is to pull the trigger. If they need a QB them draft him number 1. If Barkeley isn't available at 4 take the second best running back, move back or pick another position. Look at how finding Cam has helped turn the Panthers around after years of searching for the right guy.

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

That is the argument for when folks think you shouldn't take a guy at a certain spot because he was projected lower, the smart thing if you want him and don't think there is anyone comparable lower in the draft is to pull the trigger. If they need a QB them draft him number 1. If Barkeley isn't available at 4 take the second best running back, move back or pick another position. Look at how finding Cam has helped turn the Panthers around after years of searching for the right guy.

And if who the Giants really covet is Barkley and not a QB, the Browns could take Barkley thinking they'll get either their first or second choice at four, and then watch QBs go off the board at picks two and three. Personally, I think they have to take their favorite QB at one and take the BPA at four. Use all those draft picks to go after running backs later in the draft. Maybe Barkley will be the next AP or Tomlinson, but neither of those guys ever made a Super Bowl. 

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4 hours ago, RumHam said:

If the Browns get a FA QB, then Barkley is the shoe-in. However, the two options that they've fuged up on with Alex Smith and Captain Kirk really rule out that happening. I just don't think anyone wants to play up there and they may not have a choice but to draft a QB. They should be breaking the bank for Kirk. Or just sign Kaperneck and get it over with. 

They have to take Barkley regardless...that is the play...there is no QB gead and shoulders above the rest...so you take who is available at #4 or Chubb if he is still there...Indy almost surely not taking Qb ...

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

That is the argument for when folks think you shouldn't take a guy at a certain spot because he was projected lower, the smart thing if you want him and don't think there is anyone comparable lower in the draft is to pull the trigger. If they need a QB them draft him number 1. If Barkeley isn't available at 4 take the second best running back, move back or pick another position. Look at how finding Cam has helped turn the Panthers around after years of searching for the right guy.

That's backwards...the Qb's are interchangeable...

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18 minutes ago, dldove77 said:

And if who the Giants really covet is Barkley and not a QB, the Browns could take Barkley thinking they'll get either their first or second choice at four, and then watch QBs go off the board at picks two and three. Personally, I think they have to take their favorite QB at one and take the BPA at four. Use all those draft picks to go after running backs later in the draft. Maybe Barkley will be the next AP or Tomlinson, but neither of those guys ever made a Super Bowl. 

If 2 QB go next you take chubb...you end up with 2 best players in draft...if they go qb first then Barkley and Chubb are both gone...

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Just now, heel31ok said:

If 2 QB go next you take chubb...you end up with 2 best players in draft...if they go qb first then Barkley and Chubb are both gone...

I don't see a problem with that. They'll get the QB they want, which is paramount, and the fourth best player. You're also assuming that Barkley and Chubb are the two best players in the draft. Only time will tell that. 

Take a look back at 2011 and let's assume Carolina had picks one and four. Let's say they take Von Miller with the first pick. Newton is now available to Denver or Buffalo, and he's off the board for four. So they take AJ Green or Patrick Peterson. Great draft, but who's throwing the ball? Jimmy Clausen? 

You have to identify a QB and you have to take him when you can. You can't play games. 

Now, imagine if we had those picks and we took Newton and the BPA available at four. Now we have Newton and Peterson or Green. Much better haul, IMO. 

Going into that draft, it wasn't like Newton was a slam dunk, so I think the analogy is fair. With picks one and four, Carolina could have said, "We'll pass on Newton and get Gabbert or Locker at four."

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1 minute ago, dldove77 said:

I don't see a problem with that. They'll get the QB they want, which is paramount, and the fourth best player. You're also assuming that Barkley and Chubb are the two best players in the draft. Only time will tell that. 

Take a look back at 2011 and let's assume Carolina had picks one and four. Let's say they take Von Miller with the first pick. Newton is now available to Denver or Buffalo, and he's off the board for four. So they take AJ Green or Patrick Peterson. Great draft, but who's throwing the ball? Jimmy Clausen? 

You have to identify a QB and you have to take him when you can. You can't play games. 

Now, imagine if we had those picks and we took Newton and the BPA available at four. Now we have Newton and Peterson or Green. Much better haul, IMO. 

Going into that draft, it wasn't like Newton was a slam dunk, so I think the analogy is fair. With picks one and four, Carolina could have said, "We'll pass on Newton and get Gabbert or Locker at four."

Vomit. 

 

Lol if comparing darnold or Rosen to Cam Newton as totally different...

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