What concerns me about David Tepper

[Doc Holiday]

2 hours ago, Ship said:

I don't see how you can say that is reactionary to want Tomlin fired. The Steelers have underperformed with him and he seems to be living off his early success now. It's not like Tomlin is brand new and had an off year. The Steelers are seemingly always a step below in the AFC. I personally don't think about them much as a team we have to contend with and the way the Jags stuck it to them this year shows that.

They did underperform this year, but there has also been other years where they overperformed, recently at that, like when Big Ben has been out for extended periods of time with injury and they still made he playoffs, that’s stuff is nothing to laugh off. 

So this year wasn’t a good year for him, last two before weren’t that bad.

and on top of all of this, the same question I ask every time I hear someone wanting to fire Rivera, who are you going to replace him with. Not many coaches with a super bowl win and a .659 winning percentage just floating around.

[rhyslloyd]

So, he would fire Ron Rivera?  Sign me up.

[The Huddler]

40 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

A lot could be worse, like a whole lot. Browns bro the Browns. 

Mans believe it or not but Jerry Richardson has done nothing shy of an excellent job as an owner.

Uh....

 

ok then. 

[Fox007]

11 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

Uh....

 

ok then. 

Yea he's too far gone at this point....

Mans believe it or not but Jerry Richardson has done nothing shy of an excellent job as an owner.

 

LOL yea we're done here. I'll take whatever's opposite he's having bar tender. So Tepper for owner it is.

[Johnny Rockets]

1 hour ago, RealisticPanther said:

Meh, I think people with logic and sense should be fairly ambivalent about firing Mike Tomlin. He's made some major mistakes, but he also made some bold calls that turned out good to counter that. If you make bold decisions sometimes its gonna turn out bad and sometimes it isn't. With that being said, the toss play he called on 4th down against jacksonville was boneheaded, and he made one other really bad decision that wasn't "bold" but was just plain stupid in that game I thought was ridiculous.

 Todd Haley (not Tomlin) called offensive plays in Pittsburgh and on that play in particular,  I believe Roethlisberger didn't like the defense he was seeing so he changed the call to the Bell toss. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I really hope you're not serious here.

The franchise under Richardson has had its moments, but for the most part has been mired in mediocrity. 

The best thing Richardson did in his entire term was to step back and let somebody else run things, but he managed to come back and screw that up too.

Richardson valued loyalty to him higher than actual job performance, and it only got worse as he got older.

That was the down side of him yes, but he also has done a lot for the city of Charlotte, I mean he did bring us a freaking franchise and got a stadium built with relatively low public financing. We have gone to two Super Bowls and many more playoffs than America’s team in the Cowboys for example.

I wouldn’t say mediocre on team performance alone. Much less to the fact that none of us are here talking football today without him. That’s why I say he has been an excellent owner.

[Doc Holiday]

34 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

So, he would fire Ron Rivera?  Sign me up.

Rivera is a very good coach, you do know that right??

[Doc Holiday]

21 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Yea he's too far gone at this point....

Mans believe it or not but Jerry Richardson has done nothing shy of an excellent job as an owner.

 

LOL yea we're done here. I'll take whatever's opposite he's having bar tender. So Tepper for owner it is.

I love it when people are capable of articulating a counter argument, don’t you? It really warms the heart to know people can support their own argument through A thought out coverasation.

[rhyslloyd]

14 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Rivera is a very good coach, you do know that right??

I'll have to respectfully and fully disagree.  

[Doc Holiday]

4 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

I'll have to respectfully and fully disagree.  

How so? It’s easy to say he is a terrible coach, it’s something else altogether to give supporting  evidence and being able to articulate it.

you can’t do it, at least you won’t be able to better than my ability to articulate that he is a good coach.

How about this, if you feel so strongly about him being a bad coach!

i formally challenge you to give corroborating evidence and articulate the argument about how Rivera is a bad coach. 

[rhyslloyd]

1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

How so? It’s easy to say he is a terrible coach, it’s something else altogether to give supporting  evidence and being able to articulate it.

you can’t do it, at least you won’t be able to better than my ability to articulate that he is a good coach.

How about this, if you feel so strongly about him being a bad coach!

i formally challenge you to give corroborating evidence and articulate the argument about how Rivera is a bad coach. 

You seem awfully upset.  Maybe you shouldn't take an opposing opinion so personally.  If you actually believe Ron Rivera has gotten everything one would expect out of the talent this team has had over the last seven seasons, then we won't possibly be able to agree, and there is literally nothing you could "articulate" that is going to change my opinion.  Feel free to knock yourself out doing that, but I won't see it because you'll be on the long list of folks I've ignored on this board where you should have been long ago.  Have fun.

[top dawg]

One reason why the Steelers seem to always be in contention is because of coaching continuity. And,  like it or not, ignore it or not,  Tomlin always has them in serious contention. And,  honestly,  he's continued their winning tradition and way of not falling off a cliff to do it. 

And, it's pretty stupid to compare your coach to Belichick and use that as reasoning to fire them.  

No coach is perfect, but you don't throw away the good ones without a damned good reason Anna damned good plan,  lest you end up with egg on your face for years and years.  

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

David Tepper is currently according to some sources the front runner for the Panthers ownership bid. In part because of all the names out there he is by far the richest of the potential owners.

but here is the thing......

http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2018/01/steelers_owners_tomlin_fire.html

Tepper is apart of the same Steelers miniority ownership group that wanted Mike Tomlin fired because they thought the team would have won it all if Bill Belichick was the headcoach!

i know some of you yahoos see no problem with this line of thinking, but it is a very dangerous way of thinking. It’s part of the reason the owner of the most successfully ran franchise over the history of the NFL didn’t listen to them. because guys if you want to become the Browns, this is exactly how you become the Browns!

You don’t want reactionary football bar fans running your team. You don’t fire Super Bowl winning Headcoaches that also are the winningist headcoach in your teams history(and for the Steelers that’s saying something).

I know the Patriots make winning Super Bowls look easy, but it’s not and you should not use them to compare your teams success too. Why you ask? Becuase they are a aberration, no team under the salary cap era HAS EVEN HAD HALF THE SUCCESS THAT THE PATRIOTS HAVE HAD. That doesn’t mean you can’t learn things from them, it just means you shouldn’t compare yourselves to them, they are in a whole different league and have been for years.

So this is a very important question imo that needs to be asked. How vocal of a member of that group was Tepper?

Was he just part of the group or was he the one pushing for tomlin to be fired? Because if he was, I don’t want him anywhere near the Panthers. Trust me, you don’t want a reactionary owner. Nothing good will come of it.

Valid concern?  I don't know.  But I definitely think that it's an interesting point, and one well worth considering.

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, rhyslloyd said:

You seem awfully upset.  Maybe you shouldn't take an opposing opinion so personally.  If you actually believe Ron Rivera has gotten everything one would expect out of the talent this team has had over the last seven seasons, then we won't possibly be able to agree, and there is literally nothing you could "articulate" that is going to change my opinion.  Feel free to knock yourself out doing that, but I won't see it because you'll be on the long list of folks I've ignored on this board where you should have been long ago.  Have fun.

I love folks who have to put posters on ignore because they can't stand or deal with opposing views. If you don't want to see it then don't read it. You don't have to put them on ignore to ignore them. That is ridiculous. It doesn't stop everyone else seeing the post just you. Putting folks on ignore and stating that you will hold your opinion regardless of any facts presented to the contrary suggests you take opposing opinions pretty personally as well.