Gano signs 4 yr $17 Million w/ $9 Million Guaranteed

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Need to keep up.

I'm not whining about Star and Norwell walking, didn't whine about Norman walking, didn't whine about extending KK or Trai, etc...I do however speak up when I see the team doing something stupid.

This is one of those times.

That’s fair and reasonable take. Knowing that the Butker shipped has already sailed. How would you have preferred to fill the K position assuming we let Gano walk?

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, mjligon said:

@Toomers

@thefuzz

since you two are salary cap experts...what veteran kicker would you have brought in to help us win THIS SEASON. Don’t go backtrack to whining over the Butker situation.

Y'all rolling with a rookie? 

What you got?

I been calling for a rookie for years. As we’ve seen, there are good rookies all over. We drafted one. We can draft another. Draft Daniel Carlson and use the money elsewhere. I’ll absolutely risk 3.5M in savings that he’s as good as Gano right now. Sorry if that’s above your head.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

That’s fair and reasonable take. Knowing that the Butker shipped has already sailed. How would you have preferred to fill the K position assuming we let Gano walk?

I absolutely would have let him test the market, certainly wouldn't have been bullied into tagging him and trying to work out a deal.

Personally, you let it play out.  There will be kickers on the FA market, kickers in the draft, and veteran kickers that are cut that will sign for much less than 4M per.

It's just not the right time to get bullied into a longterm deal for an average (better than average last year) kicker.

Patience is a virtue though.

 

[panther4life]

Just now, thefuzz said:

I absolutely would have let him test the market, certainly wouldn't have been bullied into tagging him and trying to work out a deal.

Personally, you let it play out.  There will be kickers on the FA market, kickers in the draft, and veteran kickers that are cut that will sign for much less than 4M per.

It's just not the right time to get bullied into a longterm deal for an average (better than average last year) kicker.

Patience is a virtue though.

 

If he tested the market that would have been a huge gamble. More than likely a team with cap space to blow would have offered him more money. This is what happens in free agency every year. Teams with excess cap space overpay other teams free agents. 

Hell we did it plenty of times under Gettleman. Look at Matt Kalil's deal last year, or the 17.5 we offered Captain Munnerlyn, the 3 year 10 million dollar deal we gave Russell Shepard last year, or the money we flat out wasted on Paul Soliai the year before. 

 

[thefuzz]

Just now, panther4life said:

If he tested the market that would have been a huge gamble. More than likely a team with cap space to blow would have offered him more money. This is what happens in free agency every year. Teams with excess cap space overpay other teams free agents. 

Hell we did it plenty of times under Gettleman. Look at Matt Kalil's deal last year, or the 17.5 we offered Captain Munnerlyn, the 3 year 10 million dollar deal we gave Russell Shepard last year, or the money we flat out wasted on Paul Soliai the year before. 

 

The point....I'm totally fine letting him walk and signing elsewhere, going young, or at least cheaper.

We can't really afford one of the highest paid K's in the league.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, panther4life said:

If he tested the market that would have been a huge gamble. More than likely a team with cap space to blow would have offered him more money. This is what happens in free agency every year. Teams with excess cap space overpay other teams free agents. 

Hell we did it plenty of times under Gettleman. Look at Matt Kalil's deal last year, or the 17.5 we offered Captain Munnerlyn, the 3 year 10 million dollar deal we gave Russell Shepard last year, or the money we flat out wasted on Paul Soliai the year before. 

 

  And what does what the GM of the Giants did have to do with paying a K? Period. 

I love this. First we get hypothetical situations, complete with forget about what mistakes were made. You get an answer, and want to bring up mistakes from the past. Gotta love hypocrisy.

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  And what does what the GM of the Giants did have to do with paying a K? Period. 

I love this. First we get hypothetical situations, complete with forget about what mistakes were made. You get an answer, and want to bring up mistakes from the past. Gotta love hypocrisy.

I was just illustrating what I thought was an obvious point about players getting overpaid in free agency, its a natural occurrence and I used the panthers as an example of it. 

[mc52beast]

Going to wait for the small print to come out before I start throwing stuff...

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I was just illustrating what I thought was an obvious point about players getting overpaid in free agency, its a natural occurrence and I used the panthers as an example of it. 

Of course you were.

[Car123]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

 No.... that’s you. And all the people that make a decision based on who made it, not on its merit. I’ve wanted Gano gone while Marty was doing his radio show. And Gettleman was in the process of doing it.

  If it’s all about some Hurney/Gettleman debate, why would I have been the absolute harshest critic of signing Matt Kalil and still am? How about my rants against the CMC pick? Or who called blaming Hurney for Kalil’s bonus last week the dumbest thing ever. Show me any post, at any time, where you have admitted Hurney made any mistakes. Until then, accept your daily beating and crawl away as usual.

 

On 12/29/2017 at 1:05 PM, Car123 said:

Hurney was poo after 08. 

And most of those players you listed weren’t signed to play a big role. It’s like me listing Brian Folkerts, Brandon Williams, Tavarres King as Gettleman’s FA busts.

 

[Car123]

Happy?

[Toomers]

  WTF is this? What are you answering because it sure isn’t anything I said. 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Happy?

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[Car123]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  WTF is this? What are you answering because it sure isn’t anything I said. 

Show me any post, at any time, where you have admitted Hurney made any mistakes. Until then, accept your daily beating and crawl away as usual.