Gano signs 4 yr $17 Million w/ $9 Million Guaranteed

[therealmjl]

Just now, thefuzz said:

One question for those who think this was a smart move.

 

If Gano reverts back to his career average, will you still think this was smart at seasons end, especially when we see we can't cut him until after the following?

 

 

Do you spend your time over analyzing hypotheticals and wondering what could happen in two years?

[tiger7_88]

27 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Someone earlier asked for some context, here you go.  Highlighted a couple of the kickers I noticed mentioned in this thread.  Keep in mind, this is an "all time" list of kickers sorted on career FG make %.

So is the above table saying that there are EIGHTEEN active kickers with career FG% higher than Graham Gano?

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, mjligon said:

Do you spend your time over analyzing hypotheticals and wondering what could happen in two years?

It’s called understanding the salary cap. If you don’t envision every scenario you can’t fully grasp it. 

[thefuzz]

Just now, mjligon said:

Do you spend your time over analyzing hypotheticals and wondering what could happen in two years?

No, but that's what our GM should be doing.

However, many of us on this board that do look a little past our noses can see that this was botched as soon as Marty carried two kickers on the opening day roster.

Just a disaster, and one that will cost us 17.5M dollars over the course of last year and the next 3.

[Davidson Deac II]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

One question for those who think this was a smart move.

 

If Gano reverts back to his career average, will you still think this was smart at seasons end, especially when we see we can't cut him until after the following?

 

 

We could ask similar questions about virtually any position on the field.  But the answer will depend on how the specifics of his contract are written.  

[panther4life]

Just now, thefuzz said:

One question for those who think this was a smart move.

 

If Gano reverts back to his career average, will you still think this was smart at seasons end, especially when we see we can't cut him until after the following?

 

 

 I cant give you the hindsight answer without the benefit of the future playing itself out first. So as of right now, today this was a good signing. 

Now a question for those who think this was a horrible move.

If this move was made by Gettleman or any other GM outside of Hurney, would you still be so upset?

[therealmjl]

Just now, Toomers said:

It’s called understanding the salary cap. If you don’t envision every scenario you can’t fully grasp it. 

I don’t need to grasp the salary cap, because I don’t get paid to do so. Neither do you...neither does that peasant fuzz.

We are all in this season. We backed ourselves into a corner with Gano and are off the hook for less money this year than if we’d have tagged him.

If last year proves to be the new norm for Gano, then we got a quality kicker at a good rate.

Why spend your time worrying about hypotheticals when you have literally no control over the outcome?

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

No, but that's what our GM should be doing.

However, many of us on this board that do look a little past our noses can see that this was botched as soon as Marty carried two kickers on the opening day roster.

Just a disaster, and one that will cost us 17.5M dollars over the course of last year and the next 3.

Man, you’re annoying.

[Toomers]

Just now, panther4life said:

 I cant give you the hindsight answer without the benefit of the future playing itself out first. So as of right now, today this was a good signing. 

Now a question for those who think this was a horrible move.

If this move was made by Gettleman or any other GM outside of Hurney, would you still be so upset?

I wanted Gettleman to cut him last March and draft a K. He drafted the K. Should have cut Gano then. You may care WHO makes a move, but don’t paint others with that brush.

[thefuzz]

Just now, panther4life said:

 I cant give you the hindsight answer without the benefit of the future playing itself out first. So as of right now, today this was a good signing. 

Now a question for those who think this was a horrible move.

If this move was made by Gettleman or any other GM outside of Hurney, would you still be so upset?

It was stupid to sign Mare to his big deal, Gano to his first big deal, and this one is the cherry on top.

We had a kicker (who is actually good, like real good) under contract for 4 years for a total of 2.48M dollars.  Total.

Instead we keep Gano who will cost us 17.5M more against the cap than the kicker that we drafted last year would have.

 

This isn't hindsight is 20/20 stuff, or revisionist history, anyone with a brain knew it was time to go young last year, and knows it was better to let Gano walk this year.

Also, I'm not just upset about this one....this is how Hurney was during his first stint, and why he got fired.  We have a few shots to win a Lombardi...we have the QB, we have a good enough coach, we have a good defensive leader, what we don't have is a pragmatic GM that looks past his radio mic.

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I don't know if Gano is the superior kicker overall.  Neither do you.  Not enough career evidence.

The point is that at this point of his career, Gano is on track to be a kicker of the same quality.

As far as Gano missing a "gimme in the playoffs", I did in fact address that by saying that Gano is not as good from close range as Kasay was, but superior from long range.  It's pretty simple.  The numbers are all there if you look at them.

Here, look for yourself:  

http://www.nfl.com/player/grahamgano/71309/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnkasay/2501563/careerstats

 

Explain the massive statistical difference between the two.  Because I don't see it.

You keep citing Gano's career FG% as the end all be all to define him. You're belittling John Kasay even though for years he was amongst the most consistent kickers in the NFL.

FG% alone doesn't tell you enough to make declarations about clutch ability. Even Olindo Mare is in that list you keep citing. We know damn well he isn't clutch. So at best Gano is inconsistent.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Man, you’re right.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Udogg]

I am good with this deal.  If Gano plays comparably as good as he did this year, then it's a good deal.  If not, then it's not catastrophic to cut him. 

 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I don’t need to grasp the salary cap, because I don’t get paid to do so. Neither do you...neither does that peasant fuzz.

We are all in this season. We backed ourselves into a corner with Gano and are off the hook for less money this year than if we’d have tagged him.

If last year proves to be the new norm for Gano, then we got a quality kicker at a good rate.

Why spend your time worrying about hypotheticals when you have literally no control over the outcome?

Might have something to do with being able to have an intelligent conversation about the team, with all the facts. Not just blaming people blindly for moves without knowing the ramifications to the cap. Fine if you don’t care to. Just stay out of conversations that involve. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy yourself.