OL Orlando Brown Isn't Considered A First Rounder Anymore. In Fact, Some Say He's A Day 3 Pick Now...

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

Since you would know more about this than most of us. Is it easier to pass block, or run block? Just curious. Daryl Williams was known as a road grader at OU, and now he's both a solid pass blocker, and run blocker. 

I don't know that I'd judge either one as easier than the other. They're just different skill sets.

I know offensive linemen tend to enjoy run blocking more because it's active rather than passive, going out and hitting somebody rather than stepping back and letting them run into you.

[mc52beast]

Dude looked like he didn’t belong with the other potential 1st rounders. Not sure if I’ve ever seen a guy look so good on tape but look lost at the Combine. 

Would he be an upgrade over Kalil?

[ecu88]

His combine gave me diabeetus 

[KDawg004]

Man that was bad lol. I see why some would be concerned. But if he game film shows otherwise I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on him from the 5th round on and having him in a conditioning program his 1st year or 2. If anything he probably is quality depth.

[Mr. Scot]

At this point, I'd probably enjoy seeing us draft both Shaquem Griffin and Orlando Brown.

Picking a guy with one hand and the worst Combine performer ever would certainly make for a memorable draft

[JakeDel5674]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

At this point, I'd probably enjoy seeing us draft both Shaquem Griffin and Orlando Brown.

Picking a guy with one hand and the worst Combine performer ever would certainly make for a memorable draft

This place would explode. 

[AggieLean]

I wish we didn’t send our 4th rd pick away on the punter that is no longer with us. I would’ve used that 4th to take a chance on him.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

I wish we didn’t send our 4th rd pick away on the punter that is no longer with us. I would’ve used that 4th to take a chance on him.

To be honest, it'd be a better use of a 4th round pick.

[TheCasillas]

Honestly, it appears to me that Brown is just not a gym rat. If he is that good on the football field and lacks strength/conditioning.... imagine if he came to us and worked with our strength conditioning team while learning from the bench.... give the kid a year and he will be exactly what people once perceived him to be.

 

I'd throw our late third at him if he falls into a position of need for us after FA.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

To be honest, it'd be a better use of a 4th round pick.

Nothing stopping us from trading up.

I can imagine what the reaction here would be like if we traded up for Brown, of course

But hey, we traded a high pick for Armanti Edwards, traded a future first for Everette Brown and tried to trade up with a future first for Jimmy Clausen, so it could be worse.

[d-dave]

So, since I'm a lay person with limited exposure to Brown, let me ask a couple of questions:

1. How well does he fair versus speed rushers?

2. Power Rushers?

3.  DL with good hands?

Those are things that we'll see a lot of in the NFC South.  Is Brown's combo of size and agility enough to stop some of the very good pass rushers from getting around him?

Those are what I think we need to address as armchair GMs.

[Khyber53]

I'm not sold on the Combine being much of a show for offensive linemen. Who cares about how fast a 345 lb guy can run 40 yards if you just need him to own about 10 sq. yards of space? Reps of 255 lbs? Maybe that helps, but it doesn't show use of leverage or how quickly a guy can turn his opponent's strength into a weakness.

Brown has been up against first rate DEs throughout his career and has dominated in actual, pads on, full-contact game time. He comes from one of the veritable pre-pro programs in the country and he understands protecting a QB against the best pass rushers in the business. Experience and in game smarts (and teamwork) don't shine through at the combine as much.

And prior to the draft someone always busts out a "this player is plummeting" stuff each year about a project that ends up going late-ish in the first round. They run with the "story" after hearing two junior scouts laughing about someone's 40 around the water cooler. 

If Brown is still available at our pick, we'd be stupid to not snag him as an upgrade to our LT. 

Edit to add: Looking at tape, the guy is a real mauler. If he gets his hands on his opponent, the opponent is going to end up on the ground or pushed way out of the way. He finishes off well and doesn't release his block as soon as the play seems to develop. He carries a lot of weight low and it's rare to see a bull rush really push him back and his arm length is used well to corral spin moves. Might fall victim to a well-practiced swim or hump move, but he's tenacious. Footwork wasn't too bad and he can absorb a hard first jab well. On the downside, he did seem to get away with a lot of jersey grabs that might get flags at the NFL level.

[JakeDel5674]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I know people want to try and minimize the 40, but the 10 yard split was atrocious and that is important for getting to a LB or a DE. Also, he was getting yelled at during the drills.

Maybe he’s just not smart and let himself go, really let himself go but it’s a big data point. OL speed isn’t a big deal but you need something to deal with a Von Miller. The guy I watched at the combine is not a tackle who can deal with good NFL edge rushers, not a chance.

It was just such a bad showing even in drills and important things like the 10 yard split or the vert/jump/3 cone where you gauge quickness/explosiveness were also awful.

We’ll see at the pro day but I’d be lying if I didn’t think he’d be far more likely to bust. Lots of good combine guys bust but there are also a ton of great college players who bust as well.

Since you're saying he should be picked around the 3rd or 4th round, would it really be a bust at that pick? I don't think so. That's just a "he didn't workout" scenario. 

[JakeDel5674]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t like him day 2, but as long as he’s 3+ he’s not a bust. I am obviously referring to a bust based on the fact that precombine he was universally discussed as a 1st rounder. 

I usually think of a bust as where a player was picked. That's how I look at it, and if he indeed falls to the 3rd round, he will not be a bust.