Big difference in cut players attitudes

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So here's a question on that front.

Let's say you have a guy you feel isn't handling situations the way you want.  Do you talk to him about it, or go straight to firing him?

There's no indication Richardson expressed any of these issues to Gettleman.  The firing came as a huge surprise to most, including Ron Rivera who said he had no idea anything like that was going to happen.  Had there been conversations on this sort of thing, wouldn't you have expected there to be some clue?  Heck, even when he was asked directly, Gettleman said "you'd have to ask Mr. Richardson".

Normal procedure in any office environment would have been to try to resolve the conflict first.  That is unless of course, you don't actually want to remedy the situation.  Your actual goal is to bring back your old buddy now that someone who knew what they were doing fixed the mess he left.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

So you're going to act like Image conscious JR didn't say poo to Gman after the Gross and Smitty debacle??

[The Natural]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Building a winner?? 1 season high 1 season down.. Sound like the same ole Panthers trajectory we've seen for 20 something years. 

 Exactly. The Gettleworshippers don't want to accept that fact for whatever reason. We deserve better than Dave.

[WOW!!]

Just now, The Natural said:

 Exactly. The Gettleworshippers don't want to accept that fact for whatever reason. We deserve better than Dave.

They give Gettelmen all the credit and none of the fails.. He gets credit for 2017 but Hunrey doesn't in 2013?? I'm not going spend to long in this thread because I know how it gets on this topic.. Very lite on the objectivity..

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My former manager had been in her role for five years. She only hit her sales goal once and that was when I pulled 196% of my goal. Only two of her eight employees actually made goal that quarter, which was pretty typical. She averaged full team turnover about every 24 months. She was an absolutely atrocious manager but that company supported her no matter what the situation. Beats all I'd ever seen. Usually you can't wait to get rid of those types.

yeah it happens like you said, had a similar situation where my manager thought everyone was replaceable until he found himself having employees fresh out of training thrown into situations they weren't ready for, also newer employees are quicker to just say the hell with this job than tenure staff who are use to the ups and downs of the job. Sounds like she basically survived off you and another employee going above and beyond 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So here's a question on that front.

Let's say you have a guy you feel isn't handling situations the way you want. 

Do you talk to him about it, or go straight to firing him?

There's no indication Richardson expressed any of these issues to Gettleman.  The firing came as a huge surprise to most, including Ron Rivera who said he had no idea anything like that was going to happen.  Had there been conversations on this sort of thing, wouldn't you have expected there to be some clue?  Heck, even when he was asked directly, Gettleman said "you'd have to ask Mr. Richardson".

Normal procedure in any office environment would have been to try to resolve the conflict first.  That is unless of course, you don't actually want to remedy the situation.  Your actual goal is to bring back your old buddy now that someone who knew what they were doing fixed the mess he left.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

I'd absolutely talk to him. No way I'd just fire him out of the blue. I wouldn't necessarily expect for the coach to be involved with or necessarily having any knowledge of those conversations though.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

yeah it happens like you said, had a similar situation where my manager thought everyone was replaceable until he found himself having employees fresh out of training thrown into situations they weren't ready for, also newer employees are quicker to just say the hell with this job than tenure staff who are use to the ups and downs of the job. Sounds like she basically survived off you and another employee going above and beyond 

She only hit her goal once. She hasn't since then. The other two managers in her role rarely ever miss a goal. There's now exactly one person still on her team who was on her team when I was hired (just so happens to be the other guy who usually hits his goal). He's only there because she couldn't get him fired. He's 63 years old and his sister is an attorney specializing in employment law and when she started coming after him, that sister contacted HR and basically told them they were going to have a poo show on their hands if they let this continue.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd absolutely talk to him. No way I'd just fire him out of the blue. I wouldn't necessarily expect for the coach to be involved with or necessarily having any knowledge of those conversations though.

Do you believe Jerry Richardson actually made any effort to handle it that way or just used the issues as  an excuse to fire him?

I know you don't know.  I'm asking your opinion.

[The Natural]

@Mr. Scot there's no way you honestly believe there weren't conversations leading up to the end of his role as GM.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

@Mr. Scot there's no way you honestly believe there weren't conversations leading up to the end of his role as GM.

Don't know, but I'm sure you could make some s--t up. 

You've shown that's a skill of yours.

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

She only hit her goal once. She hasn't since then. The other two managers in her role rarely ever miss a goal. There's now exactly one person still on her team who was on her team when I was hired (just so happens to be the other guy who usually hits his goal). He's only there because she couldn't get him fired. He's 63 years old and his sister is an attorney specializing in employment law and when she started coming after him, that sister contacted HR and basically told them they were going to have a poo show on their hands if they let this continue.

Glad that's the case for him,hate when good people end up in those situations and don't have the knowledge on employee law. i can tell at some point you've taken or achieved some higher understanding of how business works, for the rest in here just throwing bullshit at the walls, take a seat and take some business classes or read up on some of the most successful businesses strategies and such. for a person to bust there ass for a company for 10+ years and shown the door without a shred of respect is unacceptable on all levels, this isn't even taking in consideration the time said person has spent in college/training.The "we paid them millions, so they shouldn't complain" crowd is about as idiotic as it comes and i shouldn't have to go into detail on why those people sound like idiots.

simply put, if you are starting a company, running the show like dg you'll be filing bankruptcy within the first fiscal year. Many posters stated the way he handled things were ultimately going to get him fired, and now people act shocked of the outcome 

[The Natural]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Don't know, but I'm sure you could make some s--t up. 

You've shown that's a skill of yours.

 Nah, I've posted all I know. I don't feel the need to embellish. What I've previously posted is all I know on that matter. I can say with certainty though that Richardson and Gettleman met more than just the time he was hired and the time he quit/was fired.

[The Natural]

@Mr. Scot maybe you should ask your "sources" about it? 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 Nah, I've posted all I know.

So you posted nothing...

Cool.

Just now, The Natural said:

@Mr. Scot maybe you should ask your "sources" about it? 

Don't have any, but know three or four guys on here who do.

And see, the great thing about them is they can talk about stuff that actually happened rather than making s--t up desperately trying to get attention.

It's very cool.

[Paa Langfart]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

So the source is from a disgruntled employee?  Do you have any other sources?

Both you and aunt b were mighty fast to lap up the diarrhea that ball boy and mhs spewed about Hurney thought weren't you ?  I guess when it fits YOUR narrative its ok to take the word of a disgruntled employee and some guy who knows a guy as gold.