Big difference in cut players attitudes

[The Natural]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, you really don't. Like I said earlier, it's not a simple black and white either/or issue. I didn't like that Gettleman was fired. Based on what we know I didn't think he should've been fired. But at the same time, I also acknowledge that it's probable that these issues were discussed more than a couple of times before he was ultimately fired.

According to sources Gettleman quit. I know publicly it came out that he was fired but evidently that wasn't the case. His downfall was his loyalty to Mike Shula.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

No, you really don't. Like I said earlier, it's not a simple black and white either/or issue. I didn't like that Gettleman was fired. Based on what we know I didn't think he should've been fired. But at the same time, I also acknowledge that it's probably that these issues were discussed more than a couple of times before he was ultimately fired.

That's a cop out, but let me rephrase it so you can answer.

Jerry Richardson had a choice: Football or family. He chose family as being more important.

If you're an NFL owner, which one do you make the higher priority?

They cannot be equal.  There are going to be times when you must choose whether or not to part with a guy like Ryan Kalil.  That's part of the game.

Which one is more important?

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

That's a cop out, but let me rephrase it so you can answer.

Jerry Richardson had a choice: Football or family. He chose family as being more important.

If you're an NFL owner, which one do you make the higher priority?

They cannot be equal.  There are going to be times when you must choose whether or not to part with a guy like Ryan Kalil.  That's part of the game.

Which one is more important?

A make football a higher priority, but that doesn't mean I completely ignore the way things are being handled. If I don't like the way matters are being handled and I've talked to you multiple times about it already and then I have two of my best employees coming to me and I see that this cycle is about to repeat itself yet again... well, you're gonna get fired.

I don't agree with how JR handled the situation. If he truly did not like the way Gettleman was conducting himself, fine. Fire him. I get it. But bringing Hurney back? That's just absurd.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, The Natural said:

According to sources Gettleman quit. 

I definitely have not heard that.

[The Natural]

@Mr. Scot Gettleman like Hurney was never able to build a winning football team in consecutive years.... He's not the football genius you paint him to be. If he hadn't quit or been fired (depending on which story you believe) we'd be in even worse shape. Hopefully new ownership is going to bring in a good general manager.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Who else would have knowledge of how these situations were handled? It's not like it's done in front of the whole locker room.

The Smitty and Dwill situations I was willing to brush off as sour grapes. But when men like Jon Beason and Jordan Gross, Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen start speaking up it's probably time to listen.

So two men go into a room, one comes out calling the other an asshole and that is proof the the second guy is in fact an asshole?

So Gross retired because Dave was an asshole?

Jon Beason was traded, the horror.

TD and Olsen motives have become quite clear so anything they have to say is taken with a large grain of salt.

And again, all you have is one side of the story.  That may be enough for you to convict someone but I prefer to hear both sides.  Until that happens I will chalk it up to normal business in a dog eat dog industry.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I definitely have not heard that.

You haven't heard it because it's bulls--t.  He keeps trying to troll people with a bunch of phony info to get attention.  Nobody's listening.

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A make football a higher priority, but that doesn't mean I completely ignore the way things are being handled. If I don't like the way matters are being handled and I've talked to you multiple times about it already and then I have two of my best employees coming to me and I see that this cycle is about to repeat itself yet again... well, you're gonna get fired.

I don't agree with how JR handled the situation. If he truly did not like the way Gettleman was conducting himself, fine. Fire him. I get it. But bringing Hurney back? That's just absurd.

Richardson was never a guy who was good at those decisions regardless.

Marty shouldn't have been made a GM in the first place, but as has been attested to many times, Richardson views loyalty to his way as equivalent to being good at your job. Once new ownership takes over, there's probably gonna be a house cleaning.

But to be clear, Gettleman wasn't the first time he made the wrong choice.

Bill Polian and Jerry Richardson never really meshed.  Polian was high strung, Richardson laid back.  Their clash was a big factor in their parting ways.  That plus the fact that Richardson wanted to put his son in the role Polian wanted (again, family over football; Mark Richardson was awful in that role). 

Just like with Gettleman, Polian was successful.  He has a Super Bowl ring as an executive.  Jerry Richardson, of course, never will. If Gettleman gets one with the Giants, that'll be two GMs Jerry Richardson dumped only to see them win championships elsewhere.

But hey, at least Jerry can say nobody got their feelings hurt.

(well, except for some of the ladies in his offices)

[frash.exe]

tbh some of you ppl treat these accounts like it’s some big fuging bombshell scandal, and just bc JR may have very well fired him over it, doesn’t justify it making any business sense. when you’re looking at it on a case by case analysis, there are tons of other reasons to consider why players depart.

in beason’s case, he got a huge payday for past performance and immediately got a career killing injury that he never fully recovered from. it was apparent he was damaged goods and the sooner his contract was closed out the less it would hinder our ability to compete in this league.

but you guys act like a bunch of jezebel commenters talking about how gettleman is as bad a sleazebag as harvey weinstein bc a few players said bad things about him...bc they got sexually assaulted? no. they just didn’t like the way they were released/traded from the team.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

So two men go into a room, one comes out calling the other an asshole and that is proof the the second guy is in fact an asshole?

So Gross retired because Dave was an asshole?

Jon Beason was traded, the horror.

TD and Olsen motives have become quite clear so anything they have to say is taken with a large grain of salt.

And again, all you have is one side of the story.  That may be enough for you to convict someone but I prefer to hear both sides.  Until that happens I will chalk it up to normal business in a dog eat dog industry.

No. When we hear similar stories time and time again. I'm not "convicting" anyone. But we've all heard the stories from players and former players. It's well accepted that Gettleman's handling of situations played a role in his no longer being here. It's not that hard to connect the dots here. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

tbh some of you ppl treat these accounts like it’s a scandal. when you’re looking at it on a case by case analysis, there are tons of other reasons to consider why players depart.

in beason’s case, he got a huge payday for past performance and immediately got a career killing injury that he never fully recovered from. it was apparent he was damaged goods and the sooner his contract was closed out the less it would hinder our ability to compete in this league.

but you guys act like a bunch of jezebel commenters talking about how gettleman is as bad a sleazebag as harvey weinstein bc a few players said bad things about him...bc they got sexually assaulted? no. they just didn’t like the way they were released/traded from the team.

This is 100% accurate.

 

I can tell that many here either A. are at the bottom rung of the ladder where they work, or B. have never been in the "real world" for an extended amount of time.

I've been fired, and I've quit multiple jobs.  Sometimes it's a good break, and sometimes not so much....you know what I don't do though?  Run my mouth to media, on social media, or go home and cry about it.

 

[The Natural]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You haven't heard it because it's bulls--t.  He keeps trying to troll people with a bunch of phony info to get attention.  Nobody's listening.

Richardson was never a guy who was good at those decisions regardless.

Marty shouldn't have been made a GM in the first place, but as has been attested to many times, Richardson views loyalty to his way as equivalent to being good at your job. Once new ownership takes over, there's probably gonna be a house cleaning.

But to be clear, Gettleman wasn't the first time he made the wrong choice.

Bill Polian and Jerry Richardson never really meshed.  Polian was high strung, Richardson laid back.  Their clash was a big factor in their parting ways.  That plus the fact that Richardson wanted to put his son in the role Polian wanted (again, family over football; Mark Richardson was awful in that role). 

Just like with Gettleman, Polian was successful.  He has a Super Bowl ring as an executive.  Jerry Richardson, of course, never will. If Gettleman gets one with the Giants, that'll be two GMs Jerry Richardson dumped only to see them win championships elsewhere.

But hey, at least Jerry can say nobody got their feelings hurt.

(well, except for some of the ladies in his offices)

 It's not BS but obviously you're entitled to your opinion. All I did was put the info out there, the same way you did. The only difference is I definitely trust my source more than I do yours. No need to get snippy, we can disagree and still be friendly. We're both Panthers fans afterall, right? 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. When we hear similar stories time and time again. I'm not "convicting" anyone. But we've all heard the stories from players and former players. It's well accepted that Gettleman's handling of situations played a role in his no longer being here. It's not that hard to connect the dots here. 

So here's a question on that front.

Let's say you have a guy you feel isn't handling situations the way you want. 

Do you talk to him about it, or go straight to firing him?

There's no indication Richardson expressed any of these issues to Gettleman.  The firing came as a huge surprise to most, including Ron Rivera who said he had no idea anything like that was going to happen.  Had there been conversations on this sort of thing, wouldn't you have expected there to be some clue?  Heck, even when he was asked directly, Gettleman said "you'd have to ask Mr. Richardson".

Normal procedure in any office environment would have been to try to resolve the conflict first.  That is unless of course, you don't actually want to remedy the situation.  Your actual goal is to bring back your old buddy now that someone who knew what they were doing fixed the mess he left.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[WOW!!]

Building a winner?? 1 season high 1 season down.. Sound like the same ole Panthers trajectory we've seen for 20 something years. 

[The Natural]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

So here's a question on that front.

Let's say you have a guy you feel isn't handling situations the way you want.  DO you talk to him about it, or go straight to firing him?

There's no indication Richardson expressed any of these issues to Gettleman.  The firing came as a huge surprise to most, including Ron Rivera who said he had no idea anything like that was going to happen.  Had there been conversations on this sort of thing, wouldn't you have expected there to be some clue?

That is unless of course, you don't actually want to remedy the situation.  Your actual goal is to bring back your old buddy now that someone who knew what they were doing fixed the mess he left.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

Just because they don't stream meetings on Facebook Live doesn't mean they aren't happening..... Put the tin foil away.