Big difference in cut players attitudes

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

If you think he's not respectful to his players then you have never heard how players talk about him. Your ignorant if you think these GMs cant be both ruthless and respectful. You can yell and scream in the huddle but when it comes to talking to guys one on one about thier career your respectful. Your Hurney hate has really messed up what normal player interactions should be. 

If you think what happens with Hurney is "normal" for the rest of the league, oy...

A while back I pulled up a whole list of nasty exchanges between players, coaches and team management for someone else.  I can pull it up again, if you like.

Players get cut, traded, etc all the time.  For a lot of them, it means not being able to ensure they can take care of their families.  Yet still, most of them act professional and understand that it's a business and nobody is guaranteed anything.

Others, not so much, and there are plenty of "messy divorces" to be found all over the league. 

But yeah, you can believe that only happens here if you want.

[CarolinaSamurai]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're given the choice between an a--hole who succeeds and a nice guy who's mediocre, who do you pick?

 

I also think that's a difference in culture.

In Carolina, Williams knew if he was being asked more than he wanted to do, he could run to the owner and complain.

In Pittsburgh?  Try going to Kevin Colbert or one of the Rooneys to complain that the coaches are working you too hard and see what happens.

Guys like WIlliams always tend to know when they can get away with stuff and when they can't.  Sadly, we were on the wrong end of that scale.

How about choose the guy who's both not an ahole and good at his job? Jesus I just wanted to compliment releasing players in a way that doesn't make them hate your organization. Both GMs are bad stop taking over threads complaining about something I never said. I never said he was good here. I said it's cool what he did. It's ridiculous how many just angry posters hop in these threads just to bash someone. It's getting old

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think what happens with Hurney is "normal" for the rest of the league, oy...

A while back I pulled up a whole list of nasty exchanges between players, coaches and team management for someone else.  I can pull it up again, if you like.

Players get cut, traded, etc all the time.  For a lot of them, it means not being able to ensure they can take care of their families.  Yet still, most of them act professional and understand that it's a business and nobody is guaranteed anything.

Others, not so much, and there are plenty of "messy divorces" to be found all over the league. 

But yeah, you can believe that only happens here if you want.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Not within a short timeframe.

[Jon Snow]

I'm I too late to kick Hurney in the nuts?  Save me a place in line, thanks.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

How about choose the guy who's both not an ahole and good at his job? Jesus I just wanted to compliment releasing players in a way that doesn't make them hate your organization. Both GMs are bad stop taking over threads complaining about something I never said. I never said he was good here. I said it's cool what he did. It's ridiculous how many just angry posters hop in these threads just to bash someone. It's getting old

You're getting pasted on this (and not just by me) because it's meaningless. Who gives a rat's ass if a guy lets people down gently if he's not building winning rosters?

Bring aboard a guy who builds a consistent winner and I don't give a s--t if he gives them candy and flowers or a kick in the ass on the way out.  That's not exactly high on my list of priorities.

[Paa Langfart]

Aunt bee talking tough.  LMFAO

[pantherj]

You can obviously see how much better the players like Hurney, and that speaks volumes.

[frash.exe]

 

9 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

How about choose the guy who's both not an ahole and good at his job? Jesus I just wanted to compliment releasing players in a way that doesn't make them hate your organization. Both GMs are bad stop taking over threads complaining about something I never said. I never said he was good here. I said it's cool what he did. It's ridiculous how many just angry posters hop in these threads just to bash someone. It's getting old

no it’s getting fuging old that ppl continue to ascribe so much value to giving players the white glove treatment and blowing smoke up their ass and thinking this ideology is reconcilable with trying to get the most production value on your roster, despite so much evidence to the contrary in front of their faces. this is a fuging competition, not a dance school for 6 year old girls. tough decisions need to be made for the sake of bettering your team relative to the others and if you don’t like it then take your high moral ground and create a fuging wellness center for traumatized nfl players that were triggered by getting release papers handed to them.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

 

no it’s getting fuging old that ppl continue to ascribe so much value to giving players the white glove treatment and blowing smoke up their ass and thinking this ideology is reconcilable with trying to get the most production value on your roster, despite so much evidence to the contrary in front of their faces. this is a fuging competition, not a dance school for 6 year old girls. tough decisions need to be made for the sake of bettering your team relative to the others and if you don’t like it then take your high moral ground and create a fuging wellness center for traumatized nfl players that were triggered by getting release papers handed to them.

fuging millennials

[top dawg]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're given the choice between an a--hole who succeeds and a nice guy who's mediocre, who do you pick?

Honestly, I pick neither. 

Being nice and successful aren't mutually exclusive.  And,  to be brutally honest,  life is too short to be bothered with a-holes for any extended period of time.  

[CarolinaSamurai]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think what happens with Hurney is "normal" for the rest of the league, oy...

A while back I pulled up a whole list of nasty exchanges between players, coaches and team management for someone else.  I can pull it up again, if you like.

Players get cut, traded, etc all the time.  For a lot of them, it means not being able to ensure they can take care of their families.  Yet still, most of them act professional and understand that it's a business and nobody is guaranteed anything.

Others, not so much, and there are plenty of "messy divorces" to be found all over the league. 

But yeah, you can believe that only happens here if you want.

Pull up a list of guys from the same team with the same gm complaining. Let's use how many were pissed at Gman. So Steve, Dwill, and Josh. The most public. So find me 3 guys on the same team complain about the same GM within a 5 yr period. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

Honestly, I pick neither. 

Being nice and successful aren't mutually exclusive.  And,  to be brutally honest,  life is too short to be bothered with a-holes for any extended period of time.  

Except finding someone who's a perfect balance isn't so easy.

If I'm interviewing a GM, the primary thing for me is gonna be his eye for talent and his ability to build a roster.

Way way waaaay down the list is whether he'll say goodbye to guys with hearts and balloons.

[panthers55]

Just another all or nothing extreme characterization thread which seems to dominate the huddle these days. Look if you have to choose between a decent surgeon with great bedside manner or a great surgeon who is a dick most everyone would pick the dick. But in most situations it isn't that one-sided or clear. Like in Hurney or DG's comparison. It isn't one sucks and one was great. It was Hurney struggled the first time around. So far he hasn't this time around. So this time he gets half credit at least for 2017 and his win loss record is 11-5 with a playoff loss. People keep looking at Belicheck with the Patriots, not Belicheck with the Browns. Why because that is relevant to now. This time around Hurney hasn't sucked and he has made hard decisions and not been a dick. They aren't mutually exclusive and you can be tough and personable, a bottom line guy without being a jerk. So lets see what happens with the draft and free agency and judge him accordingly based on the now not five years ago when he admits himself he screwed up and learned watching other GMs including Gettleman himself. These all or nothing threads are really ridiculous and likely reflect posters extreme and rigid views more than reality which is rarely black and white.

[CarolinaSamurai]

14 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

 

no it’s getting fuging old that ppl continue to ascribe so much value to giving players the white glove treatment and blowing smoke up their ass and thinking this ideology is reconcilable with trying to get the most production value on your roster, despite so much evidence to the contrary in front of their faces. this is a fuging competition, not a dance school for 6 year old girls. tough decisions need to be made for the sake of bettering your team relative to the others and if you don’t like it then take your high moral ground and create a fuging wellness center for traumatized nfl players that were triggered by getting release papers handed to them.

White glove my a**. It's about being a professional in a professional environment. Go to any job and churn through people bc you treat them like things instead of people. It's not a way to build a successful team or workplace.