Big difference in cut players attitudes

[firefox1234]

42 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

panthers under gettleman: 4 playoff berths in 5 seasons

carolinahuddle: oh that’s great and all, but you know what i really miss? players having good reactions after being cut.

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[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ahhh...such exaggeration. And you're someone I would have thought would be smarter than to say stuff like this. I'm disappointed.

Hurney isnt 'necessarily the worst GM in history, but the reality is he's lousy. His record shows that. Frankly, he's not really qualified to be a GM at all. He only has the job because Jerry Richardson was an idiot. No other owner in the league was dumb enough to hire him as even a consultant.

Gettleman the greatest?  No. Best GM the Panthers have had without question, but you'd have to have won at least one Super Bowl as a GM to start looking at that sort of thing. Gettleman has rings as an executive, but not as a GM. He still has a chance at that with the Giants of course. Marty Hurney is never going to have a GM job anywhere else, and I think you know that.

Gettleman was a better GM than Hurney, and pretty much any objective person who knows what they're talking about would say that.

Can Marty Hurney handle things gently? Sure. So what? How gently do you think the Steelers and the Patriots are with their personnel decisions?

I don't really give a s--t about a guy being able to make everybody feel warm and fuzzy if he can't also build a winning team. Hurney has shown he's not good at roster building, so explain to me why I should care if he let's people down gently?

When that quality gets him an NFL executive job somewhere else, let me know.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest that you lack objectivity on the matters. You defend Gettleman tooth and nail on everything and throw Hurney under the bus on everything. Both have things they did well and both have definite shortcomings. Overall, yeah I think Gettleman was hands down the better GM but I really don't understand either of the blind pro-Gettleman or pro-Hurney camps. It's just not that black and white simple.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I want you mfs to get a management or higher up job and treat your employees, especially long term employees like dg did here and see how long you stay in a management position. Bill Belicheck is a horrible example, they are a dynasty, and most players when they get released have at some point,already won a ring, so not a bad parting gift.....the fact that he can get away with benching a pro bowl caliber cb in the Super Bowl speaks volumes on the amount of “slack” belicheck has after his success in New England.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

they follow this sport in a bubble and judge everything in a vacuum and think that routine normal poo that every good team does is blasphemous and uncouth

Pretty much.

Richardson and Hurney ran the team like a family business, or perhaps just like a family.  The ultimate example of that was probably when Richardson told Jeff Davidson he wasn't allowed to talk to Steve Smith anymore. 

Seriously, what kind of moron tells their OC they can't even talk to a receiver?

When Gettleman came in, he ran the team like an actual NFL franchise. That clearly came as a huge culture shock to guys like DeAngelo Williams.  Williams realized he actually had to start working hard again when he went to the Steelers, and even then they didn't keep him for long.

Also worth remembering the comments of Brandon LaFell.  When he went to the Patriots, his first reaction was to point out that they "practiced harder" than the Panthers did.  Lots of folks were pissed at him for saying that, but truth be told he likely had a valid point.  That's an organization that's committed to winning, not just making sure that everybody feels good.

(Quick Tip: Winning feels good for the people who are doing it)

Once we have a new owner, I suspect things will once again be run like an actual NFL franchise rather than a family business.  That'll probably be a pretty big culture shock to some of our current players, perhaps even to coaches and front office people as well and likely to a lot of the fans on here, but I don't have a problem with that. 

I'll take the occasional bout with hurt feelings over continued mediocrity with occasional flashes of being good any day of the week.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

I want you mfs to get a management or higher up job and treat your employees, especially long term employees like dg did here and see how long you stay in a management position.

Happens more often than you might think, unfortunately. A lot of people just don't handle tough situations well and they shy away from them or they hide behind a veil of assholedom. The latter group is usually the ones that throw out stuff like, "It's just business." No, it's not. You can do your job without being an asshole. 

[frash.exe]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

Richardson and Hurney ran the team like a family business, or perhaps just like a family.  The ultimate example of that was probably when Richardson told Jeff Davidson he wasn't allowed to talk to Steve Smith anymore. 

Seriously, what kind of moron tells their OC they can't even talk to a receiver?

When Gettleman came in, he ran the team like an actual NFL franchise. That clearly came as a huge culture shock to guys like DeAngelo Williams.  Williams realized he actually had to start working hard again when he went to the Steelers, and even then they didn't keep him for long.

Also worth remembering the comments of Brandon LaFell.  When he went to the Patriots, his first reaction was to point out that they "practiced harder" than the Panthers did.  Lots of folks were pissed at him for saying that, but truth be told he likely had a valid point.  That's an organization that's committed to winning, not just making sure that everybody feels good.

(Quick Tip: Winning feels good for the people who are doing it)

Once we have a new owner, I suspect things will once again be run like an actual NFL franchise rather than a family business.  That'll probably be a pretty big culture shock to some of our current players, perhaps even to coaches and front office people as well and likely to a lot of the fans on here, but I don't have a problem with that. 

I'll take the occasional bout with hurt feelings over continued mediocrity with occasional flashes of being good any day of the week.

it’s literally impossible to please a guy like deangelo williams or steve smith in that context. like, those are two guys that would never admit that they weren’t providing a 100% effort or were out of shape at that time. knowing how they got where they were up to that point you were never going to see that initiative from them as panthers. and once williams was in pittsburgh he and tomlin decide that he should cut 15 lbs and he should eat better, and it made a big difference.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest that you lack objectivity on the matters. You defend Gettleman tooth and nail on everything and throw Hurney under the bus on everything. Both have things they did well and both have definite shortcomings. Overall, yeah I think Gettleman was hands down the better GM but I really don't understand either of the blind pro-Gettleman or pro-Hurney camps. It's just not that black and white simple.

Do me a favor and point out anywhere I've said Gettleman made no mistakes. He definitely made them. I can't name a single GM or coach who never did. It just doesn't happen.

Gettleman certainly missed on draft picks, made mistakes on free agents, and in my opinion his biggest whiff: Kept the front office unchanged because he didn't want to be "that guy".  Had Gettleman been just as exacting with his immediate staff as he was with players, the team likely would have been better off in the long run.  Unfortunately, he wasn't.  Could Richardson have played a role in that?  Maybe, but that's no more of an excuse for Gettleman than it is for Hurney.

Regardless, the big factor, and in reality the only factor, by which you can judge a GM: Results.  And in that category, Marty Hurney isn't even in the same building as Gettleman.

I don't really give a s--t if Marty Hurney did certain things well if the overall result is substandard.  That's like saying Brenton Bersin is equally as good a receiver as Antonio Brown because he runs good routes.

The whole picture is all that matters, and in the whole picture Hurney just isn't good enough.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Happens more often than you might think, unfortunately. A lot of people just don't handle tough situations well and they shy away from them or they hide behind a veil of assholedom. The latter group is usually the ones that throw out stuff like, "It's just business." No, it's not. You can do your job without being an asshole. 

Yeah I agree, most monopolies can get away with it because....well they’re monopolies and don’t have any competition threatining there company. Excluding them, you wouldn’t last long in a company if you’re a manager and you have a high turnover rate, and are replacing 5-10 employees with people fresh out of training. But it’s simple,like you’ve stated, you can do your job and not be a dick about it, and imo a key factor in why dg was fired 

[top dawg]

I mean,  what are we talking about here? If I were Smitty,  I would have been pissed too by the way he found out he was being let go.  

Gettleman was not a class act in that regard, he was somewhat of a classic asshole.  

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Happens more often than you might think, unfortunately. A lot of people just don't handle tough situations well and they shy away from them or they hide behind a veil of assholedom. The latter group is usually the ones that throw out stuff like, "It's just business." No, it's not. You can do your job without being an asshole. 

There's also such a thing as being too soft to be effective, and in reality there aren't that many people who don't err on one side or the other.

If I have to choose between my business being successful or making sure nobody's feelings are hurt, guess which I'm gonna choose?

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I mean,  what are we talking about here? If I were Smitty,  I would have been pissed too by the way he found out he was being let go.  

Gettleman was not a class act in that regard, he was somewhat of a classic asshole.  

You're given the choice between an a--hole who succeeds and a nice guy who's mediocre, who do you pick?

 

7 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

it’s literally impossible to please a guy like deangelo williams or steve smith in that context. like, those are two guys that would never admit that they weren’t providing a 100% effort or were out of shape at that time. knowing how they got where they were up to that point you were never going to see that initiative from them as panthers. and once williams was in pittsburgh he and tomlin decide that he should cut 15 lbs and he should eat better, and it made a big difference.

I also think that's a difference in culture.

In Carolina, Williams knew if he was being asked more than he wanted to do, he could run to the owner and complain.

In Pittsburgh?  Try going to Kevin Colbert or one of the Rooneys to complain that the coaches are working you too hard and see what happens.

Guys like WIlliams always tend to know when they can get away with stuff and when they can't.  Sadly, we were on the wrong end of that scale.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah I agree, most monopolies can get away with it because....well they’re monopolies and don’t have any competition threatining there company. Excluding them, you wouldn’t last long in a company if you’re a manager and you have a high turnover rate, and are replacing 5-10 employees with people fresh out of training. But it’s simple,like you’ve stated, you can do your job and not be a dick about it, and imo a key factor in why dg was fired 

My former manager had been in her role for five years. She only hit her sales goal once and that was when I pulled 196% of my goal. Only two of her eight employees actually made goal that quarter, which was pretty typical. She averaged full team turnover about every 24 months. She was an absolutely atrocious manager but that company supported her no matter what the situation. Beats all I'd ever seen. Usually you can't wait to get rid of those types.

[CarolinaSamurai]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think Belichick is gentle and respectful in the way he handles players?

Yeah sure, and Tom Brady is never an a--hole to his teammates either.

If you think he's not respectful to his players then you have never heard how players talk about him. Your ignorant if you think these GMs cant be both ruthless and respectful. You can yell and scream in the huddle but when it comes to talking to guys one on one about thier career your respectful. Your Hurney hate has really messed up what normal player interactions should be. 

[Paa Langfart]

Great, another thread for Aunt Bee to trash our GM - Hurney !