Big difference in cut players attitudes

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Surely this has been mentioned but Johnson was cut by Gettleman  last year and was just as classy. Same with Dwan Edwards. The class is reciprocated 

Don't recall Oher or making any ruckus either.  And Kenjon Barner said they were very gracious to him.

Heck, lots of guys were let go over the last few years.  It's not like they all kicked and screamed.

But ya know, that doesn't fit the narrative.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't recall Oher or making any ruckus either.  And Kenjon Barner said they were very gracious to him.

Heck, lots of guys were let go over the last few years.  It's not like they all kicked and screamed.

But ya know, that doesn't fit the narrative.

Wait ... Where has somebody said every player had a problem with GMan... 

I think most ppl are saying It's uncommon to have as many as Gman did..

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Funny,  I don't remember saying that in this thread.

Are you suggesting that GMs and coaches don't  develop reputations, positive or negative, that can affect their ability to sign free agents? 

Are you saying that Gettleman wasn't basically scoffed at by several players upon his firing,  at least one of which is well regarded as being a class act, one which was tops at his game at the time, and another who is a future HOFer? Are you denying that there was seemingly more tension than usual between some more men of high character in the building when Gettleman was GM here? 

Surely you aren't suggesting that.  

Now you can believe what you want,  or spin it however you want,  but to say that these types of things don't have an effect in the minds of potential free agents is either just utterly ignorant,  dumb,  naive,  or just plain silly (your favorite word). 

I'm saying a bunch of players who got used to being catered to by an owner and GM acted like babies when they were suddenly asked to act like professionals.

Beason didn't exactly set the world on fire after he was traded.  Neither did Williams.  And whose teams were more successful between the Panthers, Ravens and Redskins?

But hey, if your theory is correct, then surely no big names (and definitely nobody from here) will sign with the Giants this season, right?

You wanna stick your neck out and make that prediction.  Cause you know, if your theory is true, that should happen, right?

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or they're just professionals.

Funny how folks ignore that Charles Johnson was cut by Gettleman too, and not only did he re-sign for a cheaper deal here, he actually helped recruit others.

But yeah, everybody hated the GM and nobody wanted to sign here

Who said that nobody wanted to sign here? CJ was a pro's pro that had made the bulk of his big money.  His home is Charlotte.  Of course he was going to try and help bring Pep and Captain back (who both wanted to be here for obvious reasons I might add).  

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying a bunch of players who got used to being catered to by an owner and GM acted like babies when they were suddenly asked to act like professionals.

Beason didn't exactly set the world on fire after he was traded.  Neither did Williams.  And whose teams were more successful between the Panthers, Ravens and Redskins?

But hey, if your theory is correct, then surely no big names (and definitely nobody from here) will sign with the Giants this season, right?

You wanna stick your neck out and make that prediction.  Cause you know, if your theory is true, that should happen, right?

Better bet.. Put your neck out on who has a better record next year.. The Giants or Panthers??

[The Natural]

@Mr. Scot my man..... You need to take a step back and reassess the situation. You're fighting tooth and nail bouncing thread to thread when any potential flaw of Gettleman is even brought up.  Why?  I hope you'll be ok once he flames out in NY too. It'll be interesting to see if his unwavering loyalty to Mike Shula bites him in the ass again. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Better bet.. Put your neck out on who has a better record next year.. The Giants or Panthers??

Given that they were the second worst team in the league last year and we were in the playoffs, I actually expect the Panthers to have a better record than them this year.  So unless you want to bet me the Panthers will be worse, there's not much to wager.

In truth though, I don't care how good a record the Giants have this year, the following year or any other, unless we're competing against them for a playoff spot.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, The Natural said:

@Mr. Scot my man..... You need to take a step back and reassess the situation. You're fighting tooth and nail bouncing thread to thread when any potential flaw of Gettleman is even brought up.  Why?  I hope you'll be ok once he flames out in NY too. It'll be interesting to see if his unwavering loyalty to Mike Shula bites him in the ass again. 

Nah.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Who said that nobody wanted to sign here? CJ was a pro's pro that had made the bulk of his big money.  His home is Charlotte.  Of course he was going to try and help bring Pep and Captain back (who both wanted to be here for obvious reasons I might add).  

But you assured me that free agents wouldn't want to sign here because of our GM, which clearly should translate to New York as well if your theory is true.

Are you not sticking by it?

[WOW!!]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Given that they were the second worst team in the league last year and we were in the playoffs, I actually expect the Panthers to have a better record than them this year.  So unless you want to bet me the Panthers will be worse, there's not much to wager.

In truth though, I don't care how good a record the Giants have this year, the following year or any other, unless we're competing against them for a playoff spot.

You're right.. 

This debate is going no where.. We will see how good Gman is when he doesn't have the benefit of the situation he came to here.. I can't wait to see how fast he builds a winner.. When he has to find his own Cam, Luke and 6 other Pro bowlers... Also the OBJ negotiation should be interesting..

[The Natural]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But you assured me that free agents wouldn't want to sign here because of our GM, which clearly should translate to New York as well if your theory is true.

Are you not sticking by it?

What a lame straw man you're building here. Nobody is claiming it prevents every FA but it certainly does have an impact. No other GM in history has had such a bad relationship with players. Whether you want to admit it or not his lack of "people skills" is a flaw and for a GM it's a fatal flaw. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, The Natural said:

What a lame straw man you're building here. Nobody is claiming it prevents every FA but it certainly does have an impact. No other GM in history has had such a bad relationship with players. Whether admit it or not his lack of "people skills" is a flaw and for a GM that's a fatal flaw. 

Nah.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying a bunch of players who got used to being catered to by an owner and GM acted like babies when they were suddenly asked to act like professionals.

Beason didn't exactly set the world on fire after he was traded.  Neither did Williams.  And whose teams were more successful between the Panthers, Ravens and Redskins?

But hey, if your theory is correct, then surely no big names (and definitely nobody from here) will sign with the Giants this season, right?

You wanna stick your neck out and make that prediction.  Cause you know, if your theory is true, that should happen, right?

I said no big names want to go to Cleveland or Cincy.  Get your poo straight. 

Gettleman wasn't the Devil,  but he was building a reputation.  If he continues to do what he did here---letting players find out that they were cut (or effectively cut) in the news as opposed to his office,  then, yeah,  that will eventually affect the Giants negatively.  His rep is still developing, but he isn't going to do himself or his organization any favors acting like an ass. 

Some players need to be let go,  but that doesn't mean that you can continually do it the wrong way.  Stop circumventing the point by talking about what the players do after they're cut. 

You're not going to play the game of moving goalposts with me and not get called on it. 

 

[top dawg]

And to your acting insinuation that all the players were a bunch of whining babies not used to be having like professionals,  that's so damned convenient that it's incredulous.  The constant here was Gettleman and his behavior. The ONLY one that was really overly petty was D-Will.