Derwin James

[LinvilleGorge]

 

12 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I think he will go before us and Seattle is a probable spot.

I'm honestly not sure if he gets past the Raiders at #10.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, chbright said:

If he drops past San Fran at @9, hurndog needs to move. Guy is as Eric Berry level. The perennial pro bowler/all pro. 

Oh god, don't tempt Hurney to trade next year's 1st rounder because that's what it would take and I'm not certain that #24 + next year's 1st would even get it done. I wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't have to be something like #24 + next year's 1st + one of our 3rds or an additional mid-rounder next year. It would be STEEP.

I LOVE James, but I just don't think you can make that trade. As much as I love him, there's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft and if you're making a major trade up like that it almost has to be for a franchise QB. Hell, you could be absolutely right about his value, make the trade, then he gets hurt and his career gets derailed and you've still made a horrible draft move. See: Jeff Otah.

[chbright]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh god, don't tempt Hurney to trade next year's 1st rounder because that's what it would take and I'm not certain that #24 + next year's 1st would even get it done. I wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't have to be something like #24 + next year's 1st + one of our 3rds or an additional mid-rounder next year. It would be STEEP.

I LOVE James, but I just don't think you can make that trade. As much as I love him, there's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft and if you're making a major trade up like that it almost has to be for a franchise QB. Hell, you could be absolutely right about his value, make the trade, then he gets hurt and his career gets derailed and you've still made a horrible draft move. See: Jeff Otah.

All picks are a risk. Could also end up with Julio Jones. Sometimes you find a talent that is the best in the biz and a top character guy and you have to make a move.

 

James changes the entire secondary more than Ramsey in Jacksonville IMO or Norman here. He is the Luke of the secondary that can set the guys up back there pre snap and also a dominant athlete after the snap. Yeah if he gets hurt you get burnt. Any pick is that dangerous, see cam Newton and RGIII. One stayed healthy (and better built) one didn't.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, chbright said:

All picks are a risk. Could also end up with Julio Jones. Sometimes you find a talent that is the best in the biz and a top character guy and you have to make a move.

 

James changes the entire secondary more than Ramsey in Jacksonville IMO or Norman here. He is the Luke of the secondary that can set the guys up back there pre snap and also a dominant athlete after the snap. Yeah if he gets hurt you get burnt. Any pick is that dangerous, see cam Newton and RGIII. One stayed healthy (and better built) one didn't.

How long did the Falcons suck after that big trade for Julio though? I just don't think you can give up that much draft capital unless it's for a franchise QB you're in love with and you need a QB. That's just my opinion on it. Not a fan of pretty much mortgaging the franchise on one draft prospect.

[chbright]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How long did the Falcons suck after that big trade for Julio though? I just don't think you can give up that much draft capital unless it's for a franchise QB you're in love with and you need a QB. That's just my opinion on it. Not a fan of pretty much mortgaging the franchise on one draft prospect.

Playoffs 4 out of 7. And the year he was drafted and following year (where the made NFC Championship game)...... One year they didn't make it, he went down somewhat early.....

Think that trade worked out even if we all laughed at it here as he was lazy in college.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, chbright said:

Playoffs 4 out of 7. And the year he was drafted and following year (where the made NFC Championship game)...... One year they didn't make it, he went down somewhat early.....

Think that trade worked out even if we all laughed at it here as he was lazy in college.

In the long run, yeah I think it worked out for them, but would you made that type of trade for a Derwin James if you knew we'd miss the playoffs three years in a row shortly afterwards due to massive roster deficiencies created in part due to all that draft capital we had to give up in that trade?

I wouldn't.

[micnificent28]

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In the long run, yeah I think it worked out for them, but would you made that type of trade for a Derwin James if you knew we'd miss the playoffs three years in a row shortly afterwards due to massive roster deficiencies created in part due to all that draft capital we had to give up in that trade?

I wouldn't.

I don’t think it would hurt us short term. Like his rookie year or the next. Our talent is still good enough to not have a first round pick next year. And hell Hall our 3rd round pick barely played and was gone for the year in October. For a guy that can do as much as James...play saftey In the box,highest coverage rating, play nickel or boundary and linebacker and rush the passer... I take that risk. Haven’t seen many guys like him. As a FSU fan. I think he’s a better talent than Ramsey.

[LinvilleGorge]

I like James a lot, but I'd rather just sit tight and take Ronnie Harrison at #24 and not give up a king's ransom.

[LinvilleGorge]

Hell, I wouldn't even be opposed to double dipping with someone like Armani Watts with one of our 3rd if he was there.

The Seahawks got Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor in the same draft after all. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

I would have ZERO problem with us trading up for him. He'd instantly be the most talented safety the Panthers have ever had and - if he puts it all together in the pros - would add more to our defense than anything outside of a young, elite pass rusher.

Looking at the teams ahead of us, though, it seems likely we'd have to trade into the top-15 at a minimum, if not the top-10 or 12. I just don't see us giving up the kind of picks that would be required to do that.

Now, if things fall just right - one or more the top-4 QB's (Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen) - fall out of the top-10 and Minkah Fitzpatrick ends up going a bit later than projected (in the 7-10 range) then it's possible Derwin James could fall far enough for us to move up and get him without giving up the stadium seats in the process.

In that scenario, you'd likely have all sorts of teams looking to trade up for whichever QB(s) fell out of the top-10 OR Lamar Jackson, which could push some safety-needy teams in the top-20 down far enough that we could offer up one of our 3rd rounders to a team like the Ravens or Redskins in order to move up, but that scenario seems pretty far-fetched.

[micnificent28]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I like James a lot, but I'd rather just sit tight and take Ronnie Harrison at #24 and not give up a king's ransom.

Don’t you think Harrison is a teir below James? I’m not sure he’s a first rounder. He is strictly a strong saftey. James can play wherever we need day one. Corner,Free saftey, Strong Saftey,Nickel, Linebacker. I just don’t think they are that close in terms of talent. James is a alpha dog leader you need. Like luke.

[PantherNation123]

On 2/26/2018 at 11:39 PM, micnificent28 said:

That's one play which could happen to anyone. His coverage rating is as high as it get at the postionhttp://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19767037 what about this? Sorry I'm still not sure how to insert videos on here.

Exactly this.... a guy running full speed in the open field like that is truly nearly impossible to stop in that position. Earl Thomas often wouldn't be able to make that tackle earlier

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Don’t you think Harrison is a teir below James? I’m not sure he’s a first rounder. He is strictly a strong saftey. James can play wherever we need day one. Corner,Free saftey, Strong Saftey,Nickel, Linebacker. I just don’t think they are that close in terms of talent. James is a alpha dog leader you need. Like luke.

Sure he is, that's why we'd be able to sit tight and draft him at #24. James isn't a CB at the NFL level. He's a safety. He doesn't have the hips to be a corner and that showed pretty clearly in the on field drills today. The difference between him and Fitzpatrick in those drills was pretty clear.

I said before the combine that if for some reason James slipped to the late teens, we should start making calls dangling one of our 3rds to try to jump up to get him. I didn't think there was much chance of that and after the combine I think there's virtually zero chance of that. 

I'm honestly thinking he's going to the Raiders at #10 and the price to jump up from #24 to #10 is just too steep. That's a BIG jump.

[micnificent28]

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sure he is, that's why we'd be able to sit tight and draft him at #24. James isn't a CB at the NFL level. He's a safety. He doesn't have the hips to be a corner and that showed pretty clearly in the on field drills today. The difference between him and Fitzpatrick in those drills was pretty clear.

I said before the combine that if for some reason James slipped to the late teens, we should start making calls dangling one of our 3rds to try to jump up to get him. I didn't think there was much chance of that and after the combine I think there's virtually zero chance of that. 

I'm honestly thinking he's going to the Raiders at #10 and the price to jump up from #24 to #10 is just too steep. That's a BIG jump.

 Seems like many think he had a good day at positional drills and can play corner. Bucky Brooks:

Derwin James, S, Florida State: James could experience a resurgence in draft buzz, given the final copy of measurements and athletic numbers the second-team AP All-American gave scouts at the combine. The versatile defender blazed a 4.47-second 40-yard dash to go along with a 40-inch vertical leap and an 11-foot broad jump. Although evaluators expected him to be one of the athletic freaks at the position, the 6-foot-2, 215-pound hybrid safety exceeded expectations by showing quick feet and smooth movement skills in positional drills. With some teams reportedly considering James as a “big” cornerback, this spectacular showing could elevate him back into top-15 consideration.