Marty Hurney begins to shed light on Panthers' "blueprint"

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Ah yes, the "JR made him do it" argument.

If this is actually true, DG is no better than Hurney in terms of throwing away our salary cap to preserve a feel good family atmosphere. The mantra for the longest time was Hurney put us in cap hell. So does DG get a pass for this, or are we only reserving selective outrage?

He may have a point.

Per a couple of sources the bonus conversion for Matt Kalil offers no real benefit for the team. It does, however guarantee that Matt gets 10 million up front and makes his dead cap space for next year sufficient that we won't be able to take the out that was built into his contract after 2018.

Richardson has previously guaranteed that both Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are going to get substantial paydays. It's not so farfetched to think he might also do something similar for favorite players.

It's not his team after this year anyway, so why would he worry about moves that hurt the team but benefit his people?

[stirs]

Before the Hurney move today, I could see Moton playing LG this season and moving to RT next year where Big Daryl had went to the left side to replace Kalil. 

But

[Ace_Aladdin]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Per a couple of sources the bonus conversion for Matt Kalil offers no real benefit for the team. It does, however guarantee that Matt gets 10 million up front and makes his dead cap space for next year sufficient that we won't be able to take the out that was built into his contract after 2018.

Richardson has previously guaranteed that both Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are going to get substantial paydays. It's not so farfetched to think he might also do something similar for favorite players.

It's not his team after this year anyway, so why would he worry about moves that hurt the team but benefit his people?

 

Haha spewing false propaganda

My sources says complete opposite. This allows to cut ties w/ both Kalils after 2018 while freeing up CAP space in 2018. The dead money is prorated through 2020 so the hit will be about $4 million a year which sure puts the Panthers in bind that they want be able to make any moves?

Get out of here with that poooo lol! 

[stirs]

my source

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He may have a point.

Per a couple of sources the bonus conversion for Matt Kalil offers no real benefit for the team. It does, however guarantee that Matt gets 10 million up front and makes his dead cap space for next year sufficient that we won't be able to take the out that was built into his contract after 2018.

Richardson has previously guaranteed that both Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are going to get substantial paydays. It's not so farfetched to think he might also do something similar for favorite players.

It's not his team after this year anyway, so why would he worry about moves that hurt the team but benefit his people?

This argument doesn't hold water because if DG was just doing what he was told on the Matt Kalil contract, why didn't he do the same with Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen and pay them however much they wanted? What about Ted Ginn, we let him walk to our division rival for a difference of 700k and turned around and gave basically the same contract to Russell Shepard that Ginn received from the Saints. Are you actually naive enough to believe that JR was orchestrating all this and DG was just following directions? Yeah I think he meddled to a degree, but you're giving him too much credit.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This argument doesn't hold water because if DG was just doing what he was told on the Matt Kalil contract, why didn't he do the same with Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen and pay them however much they wanted? What about Ted Ginn, we let him walk to our division rival for a difference of 700k and turned around and gave basically the same contract to Russell Shepard that Ginn received from the Saints. Are you actually naive enough to believe that JR was orchestrating all this and DG was just following directions? Yeah I think he meddled to a degree, but you're giving him too much credit.

I'd ask you this: Why do the Matt Kalil move now?

Can you find any rationale in this move other than to make sure Matt Kalil gets paid?

Prior to the 2018 offseason, Bill Voth said many times that Richardson had mandated that Gettleman "spend money". That establishes at the very least that Richardson had a hand in the offseason plans.

Now whether Richardson mandated it or not, Gettleman did choose to sign Matt Kalil to that big contract. It's also true that he built in a way out of the contract after two years just in case Kalil was bad (of course, Hurney just closed that door).

It's possible that while Gettleman was okay with taking a chance on Kalil (established, since he did) he may have balked at what Richardson wanted for Olsen and Davis and that may have gotten him terminated.

All of this is theory, but again go back to the question that I asked at the beginning of the post.

If it's not to benefit Matt Kalil, then why are we doing that at all?

[TheRed]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I'd ask you this: Why do the Matt Kalil move now?

Can you find any rationale in this move other than to make sure Matt Kalil gets paid?

Prior to the 2018 offseason, Bill Voth said many times that Richardson had mandated that Gettleman "spend money". That establishes at the very least that Richardson had a hand in the offseason plans.

Now whether Richardson mandated it or not, Gettleman did choose to sign Matt Kalil to that big contract. It's also true that he built in a way out of the contract after 2 years just in case Kalil was bad.

It's possible that while Gettleman was okay with taking a chance on Kalil (established, since he did) he may have balked at what Richardson wanted for Olsen and Davis and that may have gotten him terminated.

All of this is theory, but again go back to the question that I asked at the beginning of the post.

If it's not to benefit Matt Kalil, then why are we doing that at all?

There is a thread on the recent Kalil contract move discussing specifics and further details/ramifications.

We can agree that Hurney is not preferable as our GM right now. But I can't really get pissed off at him for this because even if we got rid of Kalil this year we would have to absorb a substantial cap hit immediately and still have to find another capable LT. It's not a good scenario either way.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

There is a thread on the recent Kalil contract move discussing specifics and further details/ramifications.

We can agree that Hurney is not preferable as our GM right now. But I can't really get pissed off at him for this because even if we got rid of Kalil this year we would have to absorb a substantial cap hit immediately and still have to find another capable LT. It's not a good scenario either way.

That Kalil was going to get paid this year wasn't really in any doubt. But after this year, he could have been cut without destroying the cap.

The move they just made now guarantees that he's also going to get paid next year and makes it very difficult to cut him.

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, trueblade said:

He pretty much confirms Butler in, Star out, Moton in, and Norwell out. #asexpected

Refreshing to hear, good stuff 

[imminent rogaine]

You guys are dumb.

Moton = Replacement for Kalil

Armah = Future left tackle

Captain Munnerlyn = Replacement for Trai after we cut him to resign Norwell

 

Per sources, you don't get better by subtraction on the o-line

[Snake]

54 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Gettleman left us in cap hell with the kalil signing

No he didn't. 

[TheRed]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That Kalil was going to get paid this year wasn't really in any doubt. But after this year, he could have been cut without destroying the cap.

The move they just made now guarantees that he's also going to get paid next year and makes it very difficult to cut him.

The discussion on the exact result/ramification of the move seems to be anything but settled at this point. Different posters are racing to outwit one another with seemingly conflicting information.

Either way, if he stays or goes, we lose Norwell, and that is a direct result of the Matt Kalil contract whether we like it or not. As much as things have supposedly changed between different GM's the last several years, they seem to have ultimately stayed the same.

Honestly I've heard enough of the cap hell excuses anyway. People are always laughing at the Saints and saying they are in cap hell, yet they muscled the division from us and beat us three times in 2017. And they accomplished all that in basically one offseason.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The discussion on the exact result/ramification of the move seems to be anything but settled at this point. Different posters are racing to outwit one another with seemingly conflicting information.

Either way, if he stays or goes, we lose Norwell, and that is a direct result of the Matt Kalil contract whether we like it or not. As much as things have supposedly changed between different GM's the last several years, they seem to have ultimately stayed the same.

Honestly I've heard enough of the cap hell excuses anyway. People are always laughing at the Saints and saying they are in cap hell, yet they muscled the division from us and beat us three times in 2017. And they accomplished all that in basically one offseason.

The Saints were mediocre at best until this past season when they had a phenomenal draft with the help of Jeff Ireland. Our draft is in the hands of Marty Hurney.

So far, no credible source has offered any benefit to the Panthers for the Kalil move. Maybe somebody will, but it hasn't happened yet.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Saints were mediocre at best until this past season when they had a phenomenal draft with the help of Jeff Ireland. Our draft is in the hands of Marty Hurney.

So far, no credible source has offered any benefit to the Panthers for the Kalil move. Maybe somebody will, but it hasn't happened yet.

It's amusing that you put a negative implication behind Hurney being in charge of our draft considering so many people here are clamoring for him to draft a QB.