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Skins looking to trade Norman. Or flat out release him.

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By JakeDel5674,
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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

So you're not willing to give them as much time as Norman got to come into their own?

I know, they should be pro bowlers in their rookie season.

If this is a basic opinion we can all agree on..

Then why would such a great GM recind a tag that could have help  bridge the gap between the growing pains of learning our system and still fielding a competent secondary??

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It took Josh three years to come into his own as a CB. Let our guys have that long, they've performed fairly well, actually better than Josh in his first two years of riding the bench. 

And Josh has kind of fallen off a cliff since he left. They still try to gin up some interest between him and OBJ, but that's about it. Josh crazy talked his way out of here, got the giant Redskin's paycheck that kills off good but immature players, and he's now finding himself out there looking for work.

If they release him, offer him a couple of million to come back. If he pauses or starts talking crazy again, just thank him, hand him an apple and send him on his way.

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3 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

He should’ve never rescinded the tag, regardless. I was pretty vocal about it. And josh handled it pretty well. Let him ride delta on back to charlotte! 

It wasn't like Josh was a casual bystander in the events that led up to his tag being rescinded.  In fact, I would go so far as to say he was the one primarily responsible. 

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14 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It took Josh three years to come into his own as a CB. Let our guys have that long, they've performed fairly well, actually better than Josh in his first two years of riding the bench. 

And Josh has kind of fallen off a cliff since he left. They still try to gin up some interest between him and OBJ, but that's about it. Josh crazy talked his way out of here, got the giant Redskin's paycheck that kills off good but immature players, and he's now finding himself out there looking for work.

If they release him, offer him a couple of million to come back. If he pauses or starts talking crazy again, just thank him, hand him an apple and send him on his way.

Hmmmm I don't know about the perform "fairly well".. now i agree with the needing time to develop .. All CB usually do.. But lets not sugar coat them beating and brunt regularly.. Let's be honest Ryan Anderson did a promo for pro bowl  votes during a game against them this year... Julio 100 player video could have just been the 300 yard game last year... They have taken some bad lumps.  Right now they are not good and haven't shown that they couldn't use some serious help...

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1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

If this is a basic opinion we can all agree on..

Then why would such a great GM recind a tag that could have help  bridge the gap between the growing pains of learning our system and still fielding a competent secondary??

If we kept Josh that year, that would've been $14M less we had for KK, Turner, current FAs, etc. He wouldn't have made enough of a difference to where we could've been legit SB contenders that year so why would we have kept him? 

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16 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

If we kept Josh that year, that would've been $14M less we had for KK, Turner, current FAs, etc. He wouldn't have made enough of a difference to where we could've been legit SB contenders that year so why would we have kept him? 

It was only 12mil.. I'm not going to even act like I know  how the salary cap works.. And since we signed them a year after the tag and he would have been a urfa then.. So I don't get how that would have affected them getting signed if he was off the books.. But beyond that I wanted back to back winning seasons and at least a chance to build off super bowl success..  Being honest there is nothing you're going to say to make me think Gman wasn't a idiot for that..

The timing

The not having a plan

The not fixing other position

All of it was bad imo..

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4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

It was only 12mil.. I'm not going to even act like I know  how the salary cap works.. And since we signed them a year after the tag and he would have been a urfa then.. So I don't get how that would have affected them getting signed if he was off the books.. But beyond that I wanted back to back winning seasons and at least a chance to build off super bowl success..  Being honest there is nothing you're going to say to make me think Gman wasn't a idiot for that..

The timing

The not having a plan

The not fixing other position

All of it was bad imo..

 It was 14M( or 13.952M to be precise)

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26 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 It was 14M( or 13.952M to be precise)

then I'm wrong ... But I still wouldn't have taken back that tag.. Gman waited so long  at that point you had no other FA option.. Then he did nothing else to fix other area of the team (oline).. So no he made a dumb move compounded by the fact he had no plan to fix it other than drafting a abnormal amount of rookie CB and throwing them in the fire.. I just can't call that smart..

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30 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

It was only 12mil.. I'm not going to even act like I know  how the salary cap works.. And since we signed them a year after the tag and he would have been a urfa then.. So I don't get how that would have affected them getting signed if he was off the books.. But beyond that I wanted back to back winning seasons and at least a chance to build off super bowl success..  Being honest there is nothing you're going to say to make me think Gman wasn't a idiot for that..

The timing

The not having a plan

The not fixing other position

All of it was bad imo..

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Bolt/Panthers-apply-franchise-tag-to-Josh-Norman-44019123

 

It was $13.95 M for one year. Cap space carries over year to year when you have extra. That money freed up was used directly for the front loading of KK’s contract.

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4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

then I'm wrong ... But I still wouldn't have taken back that tag.. Gman waited so long  at that point you had no other FA option.. Then he did nothing else to fix the team.. So no he made a dumb move compounded by the fact he had no plan to fix it other than drafting a abnormal amount of rookie CB and throwing them in the fire.. I just can't call that smart..

  Good for you. Did I say anything about your opinion of the situation? Just corrected a fact you seemed pretty adamant was correct. 

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