panthers leaning towards franchise tagging K Graham Gano

[The Natural]

4 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Did you miss the fact he is a sprite flipping teams that will pay him the most?

Look at the 6 patriot rings. Their business model works. That’s what gettleman was emulating. Hurney is just a good ol boy that does what ever JR tells him too. And he loves his nut kickers. 

Bet he would hire you for pennies on the dollar to kick his said nuts.

Does the fact Ginn and Shepard have VERY similar contracts change your thoughts at all? Did Gettleman make the right move choosing Shepard over Ginn?

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

You don't tag a kicker that still struggles to make the gimme kicks. Matt Bryant for the Falcons is 42, and he is more consistent than Gano at this point.

Wasn't Gano LITERALLY the most accurate kicker in the NFL last season?

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, The Natural said:

Does the fact Ginn and Shepard have VERY similar contracts change your thoughts at all? Did Gettleman make the right move choosing Shepard over Ginn?

That remains to be seen, but that’s not the roster I’m talking about.

[TheRed]

18 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Wasn't Gano LITERALLY the most accurate kicker in the NFL last season?

Who cares? I've seen this argument before. Someone posted the all time accuracy rankings for kickers as validation that Gano is actually clutch. But you know who else was right there smack dab in the thick of that list with him? Olindo Mare. By this logic I guess we should have kept that guy, eh?

Perennial losers and losing teams hang their hats on meaningless poo like rankings. All I remember is him missing a kick in a close playoff game on the road against our arch rival.

[The Natural]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Who cares? I've seen this argument before. Someone posted the all time accuracy rankings for kickers as validation that Gano is actually clutch. But you know who else was right there smack dab in the thick of that list with him? Olindo Mare. By this logic I guess we should have kept that guy, eh?

Perennial losers and losing teams hang their hats on meaningless poo like rankings. All I remember is him missing a kick in a close playoff game on the road against our arch rival.

Did you forget that he hit what was damn near a 60 yarder in that very same game? No kicker is 100% and you have ridiculous expectations. Butker missed his only attempt in the playoffs, guess KC better cut him.

[Krovvy]

So if Norwell is tagged then the Panthers won't have money to sign a wide receiver right? And everyone in the other thread pretty much agrees that the Hurney cannot draft receivers. So does everyone think that we should just roll the dice with the receivers that are already on the roster?

[The Natural]

Just now, Krovvy said:

So if Norwell is tagged then the Panthers won't have money to sign a wide receiver right? And everyone in the other thread pretty much agrees that the Hurney cannot draft receivers. So does everyone think that we should just roll the dice with the receivers that are already on the roster?

The people wanting to tag Norwell can't grasp the concept of the salary cap. They're the same people who get mad we don't trade for every player and sign every star FA.

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Did you forget that he hit what was damn near a 60 yarder in that very same game? No kicker is 100% and you have ridiculous expectations. Butker missed his only attempt in the playoffs, guess KC better cut him.

 

Then why couldn't he make what should have been a gimme in that same game? You're using your own argument against yourself.

If people can scream for the backup QB to come out when Cam misses on a throw, why should it be unrealistic to expect our kicker to make the easy kicks, especially in the postseason?

If you want to rationalize mediocrity that's up to you, but some of us actually want more than just folding like a lawn chair in the playoffs when the lights are bright.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

So if Norwell is tagged then the Panthers won't have money to sign a wide receiver right? And everyone in the other thread pretty much agrees that the Hurney cannot draft receivers. So does everyone think that we should just roll the dice with the receivers that are already on the roster?

A lot of people can't understand that we cannot tag Norwell, sign our rookies, and do literally anything else. Norwell on the tag + our current roster + our projected rookie salary pool would = our entire cap right there. Tagging Norwell simply is NOT an option.

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

So if Norwell is tagged then the Panthers won't have money to sign a wide receiver right? And everyone in the other thread pretty much agrees that the Hurney cannot draft receivers. So does everyone think that we should just roll the dice with the receivers that are already on the roster?

Tagging Norwell isn't an option no matter what else we do.

[The Natural]

26 minutes ago, TheRed said:

 

Then why couldn't he make what should have been a gimme in that same game? You're using your own argument against yourself.

If people can scream for the backup QB to come out when Cam misses on a throw, why should it be unrealistic to expect our kicker to make the easy kicks, especially in the postseason?

If you want to rationalize mediocrity that's up to you, but some of us actually want more than just folding like a lawn chair in the playoffs when the lights are bright.

 

I'm just being realistic..... Kickers miss kicks. The same way receivers drop passes, linebackers whiff on tackles, QB's miss throws and running backs fumble. Not being perfect is a part of the human experience. The goal is to more often than not succeed in whatever you're attempting and when you compare Gano to his peers he's doing a good job.

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, The Natural said:

I'm just being realistic..... Kickers miss kicks.

Well if that's where we are setting the bar, we can get that for a lot less than what we're potentially investing by tagging a kicker.

[JawnyBlaze]

On 2/22/2018 at 5:08 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

The only thing that surprises me here is how many people seem surprised by this.

The DT franchise tag will be north of $13.5M. The OL franchise tag will be north of $14.5M. We cannot afford to tie up that much cap space in either Star or Norwell. Sorry, we just can't. Those figures are for elite disruptive three techniques and elite LTs. Star and Norwell are neither.

The franchise tag for a kicker will be in the $5M range. More than I'd want to spend on Gano, but it would keep us from being tied to him long-term.

I’ll take option D. Tag none of them. Gano’s percentage is high cuz they rarely let him kick difficult kicks. He had few pressure situations last year. It’s not like he finally learned to kick under pressure after almost a decade in the league. 

[ChibCU]

I honestly feel his high accuracy percentage last year was cushioned by the staff not trusting for him to boot many 50+ yarders. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Butker displayed his power often throughout the season.

Someone kicking the majority of their attempts in the 20-40 yard range will obviously have someone who regularly attempts 50+ yarders.